S4E10: The Role of Parents in Educational Support

In this conversation, Juliet & Brent discuss the challenges parents face when they notice their child struggling in school. They emphasize the importance of communication with teachers and navigating the school system to seek support. The conversation highlights the need for teacher education and the processes involved in obtaining interventions for students who may require additional help.

 

Chapters:

 

00:07 Daylight Saving Time & Dyscalculia

01:12 The Struggle with Time Changes and Seasonal Rest

03:09 Sleep, Time Zones, and Processing Change

05:06 Arizona, Saskatchewan, and Time Zone Confusion

06:18 The School Process for Learning Concerns

11:24 The Critical Difference: Identified vs. Diagnosed

15:19 The Cost and Process of Getting a Diagnosis

21:34 Diagnosis for College and AP Classes

25:57 Due Diligence and The Full Neuropsych

 

Transcript:

00:00:07:02 - 00:00:28:15

Unknown

Welcome back to word blindness. Just like the exposed Juliet. Hi. I'm here with my co-host Brant Sobel on a Monday, November. You always. Yeah. No. That's crazy. I sing song I know got me so excited for forgot an extra hour of sleep. I know that was actually that was nice. And it was. We were talking, we were talking.

 

00:00:28:15 - 00:00:49:23

Unknown

We woke up like, oh, how easy it is because our cell phones just change, right? But back in the day when we didn't have so we had, you know, alarm clocks and. Oh and you, we had to do everything. Yeah. Because there's always always Saturday and. All right. So there's had to get up for practice or our and you don't want to fuck it up.

 

00:00:50:01 - 00:01:12:21

Unknown

That so it's really interesting because I've been we can talk offline about this but I'm getting very in touch with my dyscalculia. I think I actually have some issues behind it that I haven't dealt with. And it's come up recently and I'm really like, Jesus, just leave me alone. I don't need to grow any fucking more. I've evolved.

 

00:01:12:23 - 00:01:32:07

Unknown

So it's there's a couple things, but one of the things that's this is the funny side, because there's a lot that's not funny that I'm silently dealing with. And I will share it as as I'm comfortable as a as I do. However, the daylight savings, the switching of the clock, I always know, like you spring forward, you fall back.

 

00:01:32:07 - 00:01:48:08

Unknown

I get that, that's easy. But then throughout the day and it's like a joke because my Dan always is like, oh, here we go. He knows for like a couple days I'm like, but it really feels like I'm really hungry because it really is. I need to go to bed because it feels like this, and I need to wake up because it feels like this.

 

00:01:48:08 - 00:02:11:02

Unknown

And he's like, it doesn't feel like that. It's not that it's this time and he does not get it. And it is like every year he's like, oh boy, here we go again. There you go. So they were trying to lobby to not change it. I know, and I thought, so you're probably pretty excited about that. I was very excited because I also hate that it gets so dark at night like that.

 

00:02:11:04 - 00:02:30:12

Unknown

I hate that, like 5:00 now it's like dark, and I'm like, okay, isn't it nice? No, I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like it. Oh, she said her cycle is stolen. Your, you know, the when are you. When it's dark. Everybody's supposed to be resting. So during the winter, you're supposed to be resting.

 

00:02:30:14 - 00:02:48:18

Unknown

Well, like a bear hibernation. Yeah, I, I've never. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah. That that makes sense. Well, because if you think about the caveman, it totally makes sense. And that's, the bear seen bear hibernation. I love barasa embarrassed. Oh, my God, I sort of love everything about the bear stealing bear. Didn't have that little song.

 

00:02:48:23 - 00:03:09:06

Unknown

Yeah, they had a show. They loved it. I loved the very same bears. So if anyone didn't hear what Elizabeth said and the side which is really. It's true. She was. I never heard that the first time that it's. She was told that it's where your body is supposed to be resting and you're supposed to be taking care of yourself in the winter and kind of recharging for the new season, which I like.

 

00:03:09:06 - 00:03:26:20

Unknown

But, well, you know, and, you know, so the only time your body heals is when you're sleeping. You know, so in court like that back to your, you're supposed to be sleeping more in the winter time. Right. So it does make sense to, to, to that point. Look at that. Since Monday we learned something new today.

 

00:03:27:00 - 00:03:49:02

Unknown

Boom. Look at that. Look at 1818. Well yeah. But it really feels like 11 to 18 40s. Damn. I support you because I should. Oh every year he's like, oh my God. I think that it's going to stop. And I'm like, I'm just processing it in my brain and I have to articulate it. So you love when I can someone, you know, start time.

 

00:03:49:04 - 00:04:12:20

Unknown

When I played in Russia. So I played, in the city in Middle Siberia. So it was a five hour flight east from Moscow. It was a five hour time change. So from Moscow to the Chinese border, that whole thing, seven hour time change. Oh, wow. So, you know, we were a team that fly complex, from Moscow.

 

00:04:12:21 - 00:04:36:11

Unknown

They would stay on Moscow time. So let's just say they practice at noon. Their time every day. Now, you know where we were about, you know, that would be, you know, 6 p.m.. So they would stay on their time. And then when you went out to the seven hour time change, they'd have a practice at 3:00 in the morning.

 

00:04:36:12 - 00:05:00:20

Unknown

Oh geez. Because they're staying on their time, keeping their body on their time. Go home, eat, sleep, wake up, play a game and fly back. So you know, wow, having a seven hour time change in in one country. That's crazy right? Yeah. I would not do well as a Russian. Or maybe I would. Maybe that would have actually snapped me out of.

 

00:05:00:20 - 00:05:06:21

Unknown

I grew up in Arizona and Saskatchewan. Don't change time.

 

00:05:06:23 - 00:05:24:18

Unknown

So every time I know Arizona. Yeah. I didn't know that. Taiwan. So now back home, I think we're on the tape. And also why do they do that? That's so confusing when I make doctor like when I have because there's a couple doctors that we have in Arizona, then I, I need to make zooms and that fax me every time because they're like, you remember we didn't change.

 

00:05:24:18 - 00:05:41:12

Unknown

And I'm like, oh God. Well, I don't remember what time it was in your time. What what are you. Yeah. So Saskatoon we're now in the same time. So all summer long we're an hour difference. That's so interesting. But like again who makes this up and why can't it just all be the same? Like I it makes me nuts.

 

00:05:41:12 - 00:05:58:17

Unknown

Now I know it has to do with the like the sun and all of that. Like where the sun setting and certain areas like why the West Coast is at that time. I understand that that doesn't from, this is a hell of a podcast starting. We're kind of going into the stars. This is down. Cool. Yeah.

 

00:05:58:17 - 00:06:18:17

Unknown

My discount. Cool. Yeah. Anyways, but that is, it is like a really interesting thing, and I don't remember now why we talked about it, because now my attention deficit is going to hit. Oh, because of the sleep. So I do actually I try like last night I was like, you know what? I'm going to I'm changing my workout schedule.

 

00:06:18:17 - 00:06:33:14

Unknown

This is why at all I'm changing my workout schedule to work out a little bit earlier. So then I can start my day a little bit earlier because we're getting more busy and I'm like, you know what? It's better. And if Dan goes back to work and he goes into the city, I really like the 2 to 4.

 

00:06:33:14 - 00:06:49:14

Unknown

When the kids like Penelope doesn't have trim and picking her up. I do need to kind of push. So I'm starting to trying to like think about that. So I'm like, okay, I'm trying to think about that and be like, okay, daylight savings is happening now. This is a good time for me to do that. So this morning I was up, right?

 

00:06:49:14 - 00:07:09:18

Unknown

I was up at like five. I'm like, oh, okay, this is great because it's normally six now I get like, I can do some meditation and I feel good. And last night I did go to bed a little earlier, but this weekend I stayed up really, really late to kind of I was driving people around. I didn't do it on purpose, but it is for everyone to process things.

 

00:07:09:18 - 00:07:24:01

Unknown

Everyone like, again, we talk about the processing thing like, and if your kid is asking you all these questions, they're not trying to be annoying, they're just trying to grasp it in their brain. Like that's why people ask questions. They're just trying to grasp it in their brain to figure out, okay, why do I feel this way or this is it?

 

00:07:24:01 - 00:07:42:12

Unknown

Like, that's why I was hungry early last night. Dan's like, well, I'm going to cook at this time. And I'm like, oh, but then I'm like, that's silly. He's like, it's not. Because now at six I'm like, fine, it's really seven. Oh my. Look, my body is hungry. I need I can't just do I need to like gradually do it.

 

00:07:42:12 - 00:08:06:00

Unknown

Why do we have to like do it. Yeah. Oh we got a little, peanut gallery over in a corner. Die laughing. That's like. So when I wake up in the morning, I'm gone out. Colin can do whatever she's like. Who the fuck you calling right now? We just like, we've only been awake for two hours and, like, two.

 

00:08:06:02 - 00:08:30:06

Unknown

Hey. But do I wake up? I wake up in ten minutes. Now. I didn't get up. I never hit snooze on my alarm. Once in my life. I don't even use an alarm. 40. I'm at 40. Yeah, well, that's when hockey ended, you know, like. But yeah, I never hit snooze. I was up, gone. And, you know. Oh, yeah.

 

00:08:30:06 - 00:08:50:11

Unknown

You're a morning person. That's a I don't even set an alarm. I set it just in case for whatever reason. But I am up before my alarm. My alarm never goes. Yeah. People say that. I, I think my body's so fucking whacked out that it it doesn't know what, is all up and down and. No, I played playing hockey.

 

00:08:50:11 - 00:09:16:19

Unknown

Your body's go back to that earlier comment is your body's supposed to ramp up during the day, then the evening go down. Well, mine was the opposite, right? We ramped up the night. So for. Yeah, 20 years, you know, was doing the opposite. Yeah. And you're still going. Adrenaline rush at 3 a.m.. Yeah. No teeth. No, no, I, I can wake up easy.

 

00:09:16:19 - 00:09:39:18

Unknown

I can, like, just get ready and go, where I now like other people are they need to, like, slowly. But the rest of my house. Not really. A lot of morning people on my house. So I just kind of do my thing. I do my thing. So we had an interesting conversation today because we've had a lot of, as always, a lot of questions regarding neuroscience.

 

00:09:39:18 - 00:09:54:05

Unknown

It's kind of at the time, in the beginning of the school year, where, I mean, not in the beginning, because now we're November, but still it's we're in the first half of the school year for a lot of people. And it's like, okay, I'm seeing this. Would you get a test? Would you just go through the school? Would you do this?

 

00:09:54:05 - 00:10:25:12

Unknown

And so there's a lot of things that I don't think parents I know parents don't completely understand this process, nor should they because no one's really telling them. Right. It's like it's not open offering information. Yeah. So do you want to start or do you mean. And I. So one of the things is if you all of a sudden see that your child is starting to struggle and you're having some concerns, a lot of times we go to the school because it's like they're in school, right?

 

00:10:25:12 - 00:10:51:15

Unknown

You start talking to the teacher and you're like, okay, I'm seeing these concerns. And if the teachers educated, that's great. You know, as you've heard us talk many times, some teachers are not educated in college. That's not their fault. That's higher ed, that's whoever. But you go to them and they have a process. So if a parent comes through a teacher, then they have to follow a certain process and they're going to suggest that the school psychologist test the student.

 

00:10:51:17 - 00:11:24:12

Unknown

And then they can give them kind of intervention. If the student classifies for that right. Go ahead. No, you know, and you know, everybody's going to them for the label. But they're not they don't get it right. You know. And so it's and this is what we rant and rave about, you know, no school psychologist can diagnose dyslexia dysgraphia.

 

00:11:24:14 - 00:11:47:12

Unknown

Yeah. You know, the 40s that we talk but they only use learning disability or learning difference. Right. They can identify a problem, but they are not a medical even if they have a medical background, even if they are school, the district, you cannot in a school district, you cannot diagnose any of the five D's. You have to go outside, right?

 

00:11:47:14 - 00:12:14:15

Unknown

You know, they can think you have. And you know, you know, it's funny. You think about how many how many parents have we spoken to that's gone through the school said, you know, my kid is just, you know, dyslexic, but they've never been diagnosed. They've only been diagnosed with a learning difference. They weren't identified, identified, not diagnosed. And I think that's very different.

 

00:12:14:16 - 00:12:51:03

Unknown

Very, very, very different. And, you know, it's got me thinking, you know, you know, obviously it all makes sense. But doing it that way they have so much control. It's it's scary. Because you know in like the country UK you know you and I, we talked about this I think maybe on the part one of the podcast is getting rid of that word dyslexia for learning difference.

 

00:12:51:05 - 00:13:24:23

Unknown

Oh you do that now we've got a massive umbrella. And they can make any policy, you know they want because it does it puts everything on umbrella. You know, it's. Yeah. It's crazy. It is. And I think I mean because even even us being as educated we are in this world, it's like, okay, there's certain words and those are like again, I've talked about semantics.

 

00:13:24:23 - 00:13:51:18

Unknown

Semantics are so important sometimes because it's like, okay, identified and diagnosed. That's the same thing, right? No it is. It's very different. So a outside medical doctor and psychologist, a neuroscientist and there's a couple other ones under there. Can diagnose the five DS. Now ADHD is even different too. And that's what's really confused. You have to have a medical diagnosis for that.

 

00:13:51:20 - 00:14:15:13

Unknown

And there's so much under the hood is there's so many onions. We haven't talked about your onion right. Like so many layers to peel for this. But as parents you're worried about your child. You just want to get them help. You listen to the school and they identify and you're in a good school district. You're okay. You go to the school and you're not in a good school district, and they don't understand.

 

00:14:15:15 - 00:14:33:06

Unknown

You are going to get blindsided left and right, and you're going to get like you like the word gaslit. You're going to be so frustrated because you're going to be like, I don't. My kid is not. This is not helping. They're not excelling. Or maybe they're moving up a little bit. But if you look up what the rest of the class is doing, they're going to say, oh yeah, Johnny is he's okay.

 

00:14:33:06 - 00:14:51:04

Unknown

He went up one level when everyone else went up six levels. Johnny is getting further and further behind. And if you don't have that outside diagnosis where you can say, okay, this is what you need to do, and if you can't do it, then there, you know, then that's where like the school sometimes has to out place you to a dyslexic school.

 

00:14:51:04 - 00:15:19:17

Unknown

And there's a lot in that. Yeah. You know, in my head it's just, you know, I talk about giving them control is, you know, you're giving the government, you're giving the school districts, you're giving all of them full control. And I just thought, well, that's just as we were speaking about this. I never thought about this before, because they all have to do is going to change one thing, then your kid's screwed again.

 

00:15:19:19 - 00:16:09:01

Unknown

Yeah. You know, like I said, I haven't thought about this. Thought, just as we're speaking just now, going. They have control because there's no formal diagnosis. It's an identification. They identified. Right? Yeah. We know that. Huge. You know, those are huge words. And if they're going they're not saying they have or are going to. It's just, you know, in my mind obviously Mister Poopoo here, pants, you know, looking what they could do which could even hurt her kids more just by doing what we're doing around they we are at their fingertips, never mind the fingertips, their full grip.

 

00:16:09:03 - 00:16:33:11

Unknown

With all this, the ball's completely in their court. Yeah, it's complete in their core. And right now, with everything changing, it is. If you don't have an a doctor's diagnosis, you don't. We don't know where the education system it's going to. It's going to turn around. I have hope, I have faith because I like unicorns and rainbows. I mean, first of all, it's not gonna get any worse in my opinion.

 

00:16:33:17 - 00:16:51:18

Unknown

It's not going to get any worse because there's it's such a shit show. It's been a shit show that, you know, I've dealt with this now with three kids, with the processes, and it is a shit show and it is maddening and it's scary and it's frustrating. God, no. I just because we're talking to people who don't understand.

 

00:16:51:20 - 00:17:17:23

Unknown

Yep. And so that's one step. The second thing that's very hard is the other thing we were talking about is a lot of neuroscience are not covered by insurance. And there is a very high price tag on that because it's a lot of work for a doctor to do. It's not that the doctors are like, oh, I'm going to charge 15,000 because I mean, that's there are some that have those parts.

 

00:17:17:23 - 00:17:40:21

Unknown

I've heard I've heard up to $15,000. And yeah, I want to say in California, what I've heard, I think my range and I've heard is, you know, cash 3500 to 15,000 is the range that I've heard. Yeah. I mean, when Montgomery got diagnosed, he's 20 now, and that was when he was in second grade. I don't know what age that is.

 

00:17:40:21 - 00:18:06:02

Unknown

Seven, seven, seven. It was $7,000. So like, you know, it's it is a lot now. Also the doctors that are popular in certain areas are going to be more money. The waitlist is going to be longer. The other thing is it's really important is you have to when you're looking for a doctor outside, when you're looking for a neuroscience or a psychologist, there's many questions you have to ask because there's a lot of them.

 

00:18:06:07 - 00:18:28:04

Unknown

I shouldn't say a lot because I don't. I'm now I'm generalizing. There could be some that don't also do thorough. I know when we were in Connecticut there was something. It was a fact. I called it the Factory. And I would tell everyone, do not go to the factory. You're basically going to get a cotton paste and unless your kid is super severe, they're going to be like boom, boom, boom and send it out, boom, boom, boom and send it out and you're not going to have any and it's going to be really frustrating.

 

00:18:28:04 - 00:18:46:06

Unknown

And they're going to miss if there's a slight like with my other two, you know, there's there could be a slight learning disability which still you want to know, you want to have it diagnosed and identified because you want it to be able to help them as they continue through life feeling like, oh, this is why I struggled.

 

00:18:46:06 - 00:19:15:03

Unknown

It's not that I'm dumb. It's not that I'm, you know, stupid. In math, I have dyscalculia. It's not that like I'm dense or thick headed or whatever. Yeah. You know, words people use. And those two words right there identified and diagnosed, you know, if you're diagnosed, can there be a mistake? Absolutely. Nobody's perfect. Right. But truly, you can't identify anything before if you can't diagnose anything.

 

00:19:15:05 - 00:19:46:23

Unknown

And so really. Right, you know, you're crossing somebody's lines. They're the only way you can truly get that diagnosis is getting that diagnosis. Yeah. It's interesting. You know, they're very close identified or diagnosed. I probably if you asked 100 people, 100 people would say, you know, they're very different. And and again, it's a district. It's a law thing the school cannot diagnose.

 

00:19:46:23 - 00:20:07:12

Unknown

They're not doctors. Even if their school psychologist went to med school and decided, for whatever reason, that they wanted to be a school psychologist, they cannot do it. And so you it's almost like, a false safety. You know, I always thought about my I always said think maybe, you know, 18% of people been diagnosed. Again, not not looking anywhere.

 

00:20:07:12 - 00:20:47:17

Unknown

That was just me. Yeah. Just just just my afternoon understanding this more that goes down to me to single digits for me. Because correct around what maybe 80% of the people that we spoke in Western Foundation over the years have been identified, not diagnosed, right. Or they are self-proclaimed because then their kid got it. Or maybe they're like, well, I did struggle and readjusting and but that's the other thing is like a lot of, you know, a lot of the people that we do talk to, I mean, we've had some people that are like, I can't talk on it because I was never truly diagnosed, but I really feel like I was, you know,

 

00:20:47:17 - 00:21:10:01

Unknown

I am dyslexic or whatever. And it's it's like it's a really uncomfortable situation for people to be in. And if you don't know and you're like, I'm just assuming I am because my child is. And I really struggled, but I don't really want to talk about it because I feel bad, like saying I am one of you and I'm not or or we've had people say, oh, you know, my kid is, I must be and I understand what you guys are saying.

 

00:21:10:01 - 00:21:34:14

Unknown

And then it's also funny because you're like, and those are fine because we can tell it right away by and by the conversations. It's yeah, know you just being identified and diagnosed. They seem to be very, very they seem to be the same thing. And they're massively, massively different. And you know, it's a lot of stuff. A lot of this kind of stuff can really rarity.

 

00:21:34:14 - 00:22:00:20

Unknown

And the older gets right, the older kids get, the harder things gets. And schools haven't made it easy because then you got to show your work and you know, but now you get into, you know, you get into high school. Obviously you've gone through, to in high school and then, you know, and we're all this all comes into play massively is when you go to college for your, you know, s.a.t.s it acts, you can't get it.

 

00:22:00:21 - 00:22:30:16

Unknown

You can't get extra time if you don't have this right. This is where this stuff can really make it make a massive difference. Being identified and diagnosed. Yes. And that brings up a very good point, because right now, since Penelope was outside diagnosed, I got a 5 or 4, but I have to go through a whole different department for college board, and that is for apps and for SATs and acts.

 

00:22:30:18 - 00:22:49:06

Unknown

So that's the other thing parents have to understand. Just because you're getting your 5 or 4 or your IEP, if your kid is taking AP classes, they're a whole different division that is going to determine. And if you just have a school diagnosis, they're going to turn your down and not diagnosis. If you're just identified in the school they're going to turn you down.

 

00:22:49:11 - 00:23:06:17

Unknown

And it I've seen it time and time again. And I'm here because I'm like, okay, this is going to be interesting. If they say that she can't x, Y and Z. Now Penelope also doesn't extra time for her, but that's beside the point. You don't need to. Yeah you're yeah you're I agree with you. But that's not. Yeah.

 

00:23:06:21 - 00:23:27:06

Unknown

That's not the point. Right? Right. Matter if you get you have to get student. You should be able to be able to do it well. And I'll get I'll get their point of view. This isn't a diagnosis. Why are you bringing this to me? This is like, oh, you're right, you're not. This isn't that doctor diagnosis. So I will defend and understand.

 

00:23:27:07 - 00:23:47:18

Unknown

It's crazy that you have to go inside to a different division. But I understand their point of view too, though, right? If because these kids are going to try to, there's there's going to be kids taking advantage of the system. But this is not a doctor diagnosis, right? This isn't a full nearsighted. There's nothing there. So I how can I give that to you when you're oh, you're telling me that oh your knee hurts.

 

00:23:47:21 - 00:24:12:04

Unknown

Oh, what do you say? You know, I can tell you wherever I want. I my back hurts. Whatever. Until there's a diagnosis. Then you have to participate. I, I respect that and I understand that. But this is where it is massively different. Yep. And you have like I was just listening back because someone asked me about the episode that we did with my nephew and Montgomery.

 

00:24:12:04 - 00:24:29:06

Unknown

So Bradley and Montgomery and I only listened to the first beginning because I was like, okay, I can send it because I remember I was like, what did we talk about in the beginning? Bradley talks about the woman that took over the Catholic school. And I actually haven't even talked to my sister about this. I don't remember what happened, but they were going to.

 

00:24:29:06 - 00:24:51:02

Unknown

If you had a diagnosis or or identified, she was going to say you weren't allowed to take an AP class and polygraph. Just sat there and the family went and families went crazy, like I would like that's also would prohibit me from getting Penelope a diagnosis because she'd be like, wait, I'm going to take AP because those are the classes that challenge our regular classes.

 

00:24:51:02 - 00:25:16:10

Unknown

Don't challenge her. So it's so back. But that's why you have to understand what your school district does. Doesn't matter if your friend in New York told you this, you need to check with your school district and find out which their laws are still. Yeah, especially if you're different states like you're obviously New York here in Illinois, very, very, very different, districts can be different to 100%, but states are massively massive.

 

00:25:16:14 - 00:25:35:21

Unknown

Yeah. So that's the thing. You really need to check it out before you go into it. The other thing is with insurance, like these things are not covered by insurance, but there are some insurances that will cover part like ADHD because it's a different medical. And so you need to know it as much. Trust me, I'm the last person that loves to learn about those kind of things.

 

00:25:35:21 - 00:25:57:00

Unknown

Like, like it's so tedious. I don't understand it. It's frustrating. But especially if you're someone that needs to watch the dollar. Like if it's I mean, these things are expensive. Most people, it doesn't matter. Yeah. And life, the way life is right now, you need to be checking and making sure you're not pissing money away everyone. So you need to do your due diligence and homework.

 

00:25:57:00 - 00:26:21:03

Unknown

Don't just take one person's word. Ask around. Ask the district. Find out from the doctor if it is. Do you take insurance? There was something that, we were told you could do a single case agreement, which is a negotiable, where you can get some money back if, in your if your insurance says that you can do out of, out of network, benefits, there's definitely some things that we can dive into.

 

00:26:21:03 - 00:26:47:20

Unknown

And we will, as we kind of uncovered, as well as this landscape of shifting, you know, and asking if you're if your insurance is covering it, you know, ask for a full blown neuropsychology. You know, you're going there for ADHD or if you're going there for, you know, a certain thing, but, you know, if you can ask for a full blown neuro psych, that's what I talk about here daily.

 

00:26:47:20 - 00:27:04:12

Unknown

Every time you're on there, you're me, I. And when you're outside, ask for a full blown neuro psych. Y'all. You're going to get some. That'll do it all under that insurance because all roped in together you're going to have some. They're going to try and separate it. And you put a court, you know, put a cost to it that your insurance might cover.

 

00:27:04:14 - 00:27:24:03

Unknown

But that's the ultimate goal is to get that full blown. They're sick. And to this point also there's going to be some doctors depending who you go to that when you go, even if you have a referral and you say hey I would like an attention, you know, and an attention panel, they will only do the attention panel, right.

 

00:27:24:03 - 00:27:44:12

Unknown

So also you need to look at your state where you are. If they're a doctor that's like, well I know an attention and I want to then test for all of the like, ask them what they're testing for. And if they say, oh, well, you just asked me for doing attention panel and you want and you're going to a neurotic get the educational, get the IQ, get all of it done because it's as Brant says all the time.

 

00:27:44:12 - 00:28:01:02

Unknown

It's a blueprint. It's a window into your child. It's a window. If you're an adult, getting diagnosis, you know, whatever. It doesn't matter. It's a whole window into everything, not just one piece of the puzzle. You want to get the whole puzzle, you just don't want the one piece. So you go and you have to ask those questions.

 

00:28:01:04 - 00:28:20:17

Unknown

Don't feel like I feel bad asking questions. I feel like I don't know what we're talking about. This is how we learn. This is how you understand. This is how you move forward. Curious church yeah. Oh my gosh. You know, this is you know, very different if you're, you're walking into, you know, a neuro psych for the first time.

 

00:28:20:19 - 00:28:46:17

Unknown

It's it's a lot I've been we've all been in your shoes. Right. It's all these big words and this and yelling all you all you hear and all you see is your kid struggling. How do I fix it? I know, but you can't fix anything. You don't understand. And you can't be a resource or an advocate for your kid without an understanding.

 

00:28:46:19 - 00:29:09:02

Unknown

It's outstanding understanding his knowledge and power. And you can't take the school's word if they're like, no, you're fine. We identified it because they're not going to say it like you need to go outside. We cannot emphasize that enough. And if you don't have the funds we understand that's the first step. But you need to make it a point of trying to find where you can get that outside diagnosis.

 

00:29:09:04 - 00:29:35:04

Unknown

Right. It's you know, we'll be a day here sooner rather than there were. It's a heck of a lot easier with more, more understanding with all this by the time we're done. But it's, What's the key components? You know, you said earlier, you're tired of learning, right? Everybody learns. But the earlier we can learn. The less.

 

00:29:35:06 - 00:29:54:13

Unknown

Oh, yeah. In trauma we have, the less pain we have. Yeah. Because there's there's more understanding. Oh. All right. You know, and ten years old, you know, right. When something happened, seven rather than something happened. Seven and you're 70 going, oh, that's why I shouldn't have been doing this for 60 years. Well yeah. Exactly. Let's do six rather than 60.

 

00:29:54:18 - 00:30:06:10

Unknown

Yeah. Let's make it easier for that kid. I'm going to leave it at that. You guys know what to do, like rate review and share. And we will see you for another episode of words line of dyslexia. Expose for.