S4E22: Navigating Neuropsych Evaluations - A Personal Journey

In this conversation, Brent and Juliet discuss the complexities of neuropsych evaluations, the challenges of traditional education for those with learning differences, and the importance of understanding and advocating for oneself and others. They share personal experiences and insights on how labels can provide clarity and how to navigate the educational system to better support children with learning challenges.

 

Chapters

 

00:00 Navigating Neuropsych Evaluations

02:56 Understanding Learning Differences

05:51 The Impact of Traditional Education

08:58 The Importance of Self-Understanding

12:05 The Role of Labels in Education

15:01 Advocating for Change in Schools

18:05 Personal Experiences with Learning Challenges

20:50 Finding Strengths in Learning Differences

23:55 The Journey of Self-Discovery

27:07 Softening the Impact of Learning Differences

 

Transcript:

00:00:07:00 - 00:00:24:09

Unknown

Well. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? I'm doing okay. Hanging in. You're doing okay. It's been it's been. It's Monday, but it was a week last week, so how am I going to. We went to Saint Louis and it was good. You know, it's it was great to see a friend. I haven't seen her in 15 years.

 

00:00:24:09 - 00:00:51:10

Unknown

And we saw the Saint Louis Blues mascot. Louis. Poor horse mascot. Never a bad hat on, but but, you know, I could blab all day long. You know, the foundation is he's got a project going on and Juliette is now going to go get a neuro psych done. Oh, we're going there. Yeah. So, everyone, how are you feeling?

 

00:00:51:10 - 00:01:15:06

Unknown

I know, obviously, you're supposed to have it. Last week, some things came up medically that we had to postpone this, but where's your head at? Tell me where your head's at. Knowing you're going into this, I think there was in the beginning, I definitely. I mean, listen, we're we're recording it so we can watch. And I think I was more concerned about making sure that I could get the right like that.

 

00:01:15:06 - 00:01:33:06

Unknown

Everyone that needs to see it on our team is going to be able to see it. And so I was more concerned about that. However, when I was talking to Ashley, she was like, you know, just breathe because she started talking about the box and I started laughing and I was like, oh, the fucking blocks. I was like, okay, I'm going to take a breath.

 

00:01:33:06 - 00:01:51:00

Unknown

And she's like, yeah, she's like, you this. Are you stressed about it? And I said, no, there's definitely an anxiety around it because I hate tests. When someone says a test, I just automatically get like, and I've worked on a lot of work on that. But I just automatically get like, tight in the chest. In the stomach.

 

00:01:51:05 - 00:02:06:07

Unknown

I get a stomach ache a little bit. You know, that's because of all the tests that you fail when you know, you know, the information and then you can't get it on a piece of paper. And the frustration of being like, oh my God, I studied so hard. How did I, like, get a C? Or how did I fail?

 

00:02:06:07 - 00:02:30:21

Unknown

Or when I know it like, you know, I'm so prepared. This is a very different kind of test. So there's really no preparing. So I'm kind of just going into it, knowing that it's going to highlight all the things that I suck at. But every day in my job I that is highlighted. So I like right now in the stage of my life, the last number of years I get that gets highlighted a lot.

 

00:02:30:23 - 00:03:01:07

Unknown

So, I yeah, it's just a different feeling. So knowing that you're going to walk into that with those weaknesses getting highlighted, like, let's focus on that. Your job may focus on certain things. But there's obviously you, you have a job because there's there's strengths there. Yeah. This test focuses a lot on the weaknesses. So where are you feeling on that.

 

00:03:01:07 - 00:03:28:22

Unknown

Like you can jump over it quickly like you did, but there's more to it I jump over. No, I actually truthfully last I think last week I was definitely anxious as it was coming and thinking about it, but I am because there's things that we've talked about, like there's the some of the five days that I know I have now because of Montgomery and my other two kids that I didn't realize, you know, were that I, that I had and I know I have them.

 

00:03:28:22 - 00:03:51:22

Unknown

So that part is kind of interesting and intriguing to me because I'm like, wow, I really put everything under that ADHD umbrella because that's what I was diagnosed with first, right in college. And not until later was I diagnosed with dyslexia. Now, I had the understanding because it was in my house and all that, but we talked about it that one time that I said to you, I was like, I'd never shared with you because I was like, oh, I'm not going to.

 

00:03:51:22 - 00:04:11:03

Unknown

I'm going to pretend I'm not feeling that. But like, there was a period of time in my life that I didn't think I was smart enough to be a dyslexic, because dyslexics are so smart. So going into this, so is this your third neuro psych or for their own sake? No. What were the other two tests? So that was they were in school.

 

00:04:11:03 - 00:04:31:17

Unknown

So. So, when I was younger, I had, but that was it from the school. That wasn't a proper neuroscience then. I had ADHD. Was your was school right? No. ADHD was when I was in college and that was a doctor. But he didn't do a yeah. He didn't do a full nor a psych. I saw like an infant, I think.

 

00:04:31:17 - 00:04:55:01

Unknown

I mean, I'm sure I shared this, but I saw an infomercial like my sophomore year talking about ADHD. And I was like, oh my God, I have that. And I called my mom and she's like, yeah, well, you know. Right. Yes, we we know that. So that wasn't a full neuro psych, proper neuro psych. But as we know, like when I was in elementary school, I had processing and a reading disorder.

 

00:04:55:01 - 00:05:12:18

Unknown

Now we know that that reading disorders, dyslexia, they just never put that label on it. And then when my kids all were diagnosed, it was like, oh my God. So I'm will go back to, you know, they'll go back to the processing, you know, was that a full, narrow take or was that just a school? That was the school.

 

00:05:12:20 - 00:05:34:06

Unknown

So I haven't really had this proper paperwork trying to figure out exactly if this is the first one. Yes. Now, I did sit in with Montgomery and I remember, you know, there was times where I've sat in with him and I. So I have recollection of like the blocks and drawing, but that also was later in life. So I can't really put together because I hate.

 

00:05:34:06 - 00:05:47:16

Unknown

But like every time I anytime I had to take anything off the board and put it on a piece of paper. So there was some test, I think that was the ADHD test where I had to take it off, but I don't. I don't recall like it all kind of muddles together. I just know it's not a good feeling.

 

00:05:47:19 - 00:06:09:12

Unknown

Yeah, well that's and that's why I was asking the question was, you know, want to talk about some of these feelings because, you know, obviously, you know, the people that we listen to it have these feelings because, you know, they're kids struggling. All right. You know, what's your kid? You know, what's that feeling going in and, I definitely have anxiety.

 

00:06:09:12 - 00:06:34:06

Unknown

I mean, I 100% I have anxiety, and probably now that it was postponed, if you maybe we recorded this last week and you asked me, I probably would have had a little bit like as I said, last week was a very interesting week. Not for a podcast. So I kind of compartmentalized the Neurosci. But anytime I think of the blocks and doing the the multiple, what is it called?

 

00:06:34:06 - 00:06:56:23

Unknown

The manipulable? I don't, I don't need I definitely I throw my mama off a little bit because I know that's where I really struggle. It's really hard. It's you know, it's really funny is, What what was I do? I was doing this is going to sound really interesting, but remember how we've always talked about dysgraphia and, like, LED hands, right.

 

00:06:57:01 - 00:07:17:17

Unknown

And like, I, that's why I called Montgomery when he was little, before I was, bull week. A bull in a China shop. Right? Yeah. Welcome to the years. Yeah. It was like the lead hands. Yeah. So I never really thought of me having anything with my hands. But every time I get my nails done, my manicurist is like, really?

 

00:07:17:17 - 00:07:34:08

Unknown

Sure. Hands. What's with your hands? When I've had to do things with the company, like getting pictures. One of the women is always like, what's with your hands? Just relax. I'm. And I'm like, I'm not doing anything with my hands. What are you talking about? Now? I'm all self-conscious about my hands. And I just had another person say to me, and I'm trying to think what it was.

 

00:07:34:08 - 00:07:51:03

Unknown

They're like, just relax your hands. Your hands are very tense. And I'm like, nope, I'm not tense. And I think it was like something very random. But I said in my head, I'm laughing because I'm like, that has to be the dysgraphia that I've. And that just literally every time the, the, my manager says, like, what? What's going on?

 

00:07:51:03 - 00:08:13:11

Unknown

Like just and I'm like, I don't know what you mean. My hands are here. Like I'm very relaxed. I'm not stressed right now, I don't. So it's an interesting thing thinking about doing those blocks and drawing and all of that. That's where my hands think I had a problem with my hands because I don't have like, you know, like the Seinfeld where they have like, hands to use.

 

00:08:13:13 - 00:08:31:14

Unknown

You spill things. No. So that's really I did as a kid. My dad. Yeah, I did as a kid, I used to well, I was considered the bull in the China shop, like, oh, here comes Juliette. Like, you know, it's like a lunch or dinner where a lot of it didn't spell something. Yeah. Milk, like. Yeah, just every time.

 

00:08:31:16 - 00:08:51:06

Unknown

So my. So my dad was very much like that and I have to say Montgomery probably was. But then when they were older, they had the fucking cup, you know, the like when they were babies, they stick a cup with the little plastic things. Yeah, exactly. So like, we were all big on the straw because that was my mom was big on like the, you know, the the speech, speech therapy.

 

00:08:51:06 - 00:09:10:22

Unknown

Like you have to use a straw. So I'm sure he was drawing out a paper straw like nowadays. And it was actually a metal straw because I didn't do plastic. Oh, we're not going to go into that. Actually I think there was probably some plastic in there until then. It was like change. But it's very interesting thinking about all that and tying it back.

 

00:09:10:22 - 00:09:34:18

Unknown

So there is a part of me that's eager to do it, but I know leaving I'm probably going to be like tired and then a little deflated and deflated. Yeah, I know that's that's that's kind of why I wanted, wanted to to take out, you know, bring this up, you know, so, you know, the listeners can hear your feelings.

 

00:09:34:19 - 00:10:12:04

Unknown

You know, obviously you've got, a great job, right? For, for a company that's doing, doing, doing amazing things. You wouldn't have that without having skills. Right. Thank you. All right. So you've got to keep that in mind. And this whole process because our our our biggest. Critics ourselves. Right. We see things in ourselves and we tell ourselves because there's nobody else.

 

00:10:12:04 - 00:10:43:18

Unknown

It spends more times with ourselves. Yeah. And we all so parents that are taking their kids. Right. You know you've got to continue is fine. You know, I and I had a conversation with the father the other day, he's, you know, his kid was told he doesn't have hockey IQ, you know, and his father's, a professor, you know, out of college.

 

00:10:43:19 - 00:11:14:01

Unknown

I kind of cut the conversation off at about ten minutes because the dad, you know, was exhausted, deflated. The being a parent. And how didn't I know that? Like, oh, my God, there's there's a lot here. Why didn't I know this? And you know, and then you start, you know, you know, beating yourself up. Right. But you will be able to look back and connect dots.

 

00:11:14:03 - 00:11:40:16

Unknown

For the first time ever. Oh, and I told, I told, you know, I told somebody, about some of my hockey habits, which I didn't figure out to do a couple years ago. So it took me, you know, 45 years or whatever to figure out why. Right now you're able to connect dots and look back, go, oh. Good or bad, it'll make sense.

 

00:11:40:18 - 00:12:03:15

Unknown

I mean, one of the things that I know, because I'm in, space right now, like with Montgomery in college, how now, this is not for every dyslexic, and I want to be very clear with them. This is not for everyone. But school is so broken. And I know, like, I wasn't meant to learn in a traditional school.

 

00:12:03:15 - 00:12:19:14

Unknown

So there's like schools out there that are like different. And there's like part of me that like my heart breaks a little for myself, like, because I was like this very eager, happy, like, you know, how I have energy now. Like I was like a happy go lucky kid and school just fucking whack a mold. Me. What are you going to say?

 

00:12:19:17 - 00:12:42:19

Unknown

No, Elizabeth. You know the same thing. She love to read, right? Elizabeth. You had one teacher that, she had the same thing. You know, she she loved reading. Had one teacher that destroyed her. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, she knows exactly seventh grade. She just said you read a bunch of science fiction books, not just one week, a whole year, that's all.

 

00:12:42:19 - 00:13:06:23

Unknown

We had to read science fiction books and science fiction runner Carol. And there were big chapter books and that's all we have to read. And I mean, and she's still now, you know. Yeah. Well, and that and Penelope's a huge reader and there's been classes where like, they make. Exactly. And that's like the thing that makes me so like that fact that that happened to Elizabeth, like that.

 

00:13:06:23 - 00:13:28:22

Unknown

I loved science, right. And I see my kids because that is one of the place that they struggle how they were always such curious kids. And I've seen where school has so much them. And that breaks my heart. Like, I know Montgomery right now in college is like, this is so pointless. He's going because he wants to play sports, but I know every day he's like, you know, it's like it's it just sucks.

 

00:13:28:22 - 00:13:45:10

Unknown

And it really it's like, I wish that there was a place for people now that they, you know, people talk about all the times. Well, oh, there's so much, you know, accommodations for dyslexics and all this. And it really actually angers me. And I try not to, because sometimes if I'm not in the mood, I'll lash out and I'll be like, first of all, spell check.

 

00:13:45:14 - 00:14:05:09

Unknown

Yes, there's all these great things, but sometimes it actually makes it more frustrating. Yes. There's yeah to you. Right. Well, but and so there's so many things that there sometimes it makes me really sad thinking about it because I know that I know so much, but I still put my kids in traditional school, and I hate that.

 

00:14:05:09 - 00:14:26:16

Unknown

Like, I wish we could have, like, done world school where we could have traveled and they could have learned from the earth. Well, I mean, I just had a call, you know, you know, like, I hopped off right off that call to get on here, and you know, he was around, you know, we were at run. We were ranting and raving, screaming and at each other, you know, about, you know, the shit going on.

 

00:14:26:18 - 00:14:44:09

Unknown

You. I had his daughter. He's like, you know, he's like, use an example core math, you know? And they went and changed it. Great. You know. But she can get the answer. But it's not all the right steps. He's like, all right if she can get the answer every fucking time. But not right steps. What the fuck is wrong.

 

00:14:44:11 - 00:15:03:17

Unknown

Yep. What's wrong? Yeah. What's wrong? You know, and he's like, she's getting the answer right. And he, you know, he. And time we talk about this all the time right. You know it's we process that information for and the you know the dad I spoke to the other day you know the hockey IQ. He's like you know here am I.

 

00:15:03:22 - 00:15:28:06

Unknown

He sent me an email first off. And he's like, you know, I think my son sees things differently. I'm like, you know, and I got to we do we process every piece of information differently than you, no matter if it's, you know, playing hockey or playing soccer or math or. Right. But he was like and that says why I use a few common phrases.

 

00:15:28:08 - 00:15:47:06

Unknown

Being understood is everything right? So if you had a teacher and actually I told them about, our little conversation, you're going I never remember. I told you, you know, your friend's a teacher. I said, is that do and, do not say do it. Verbal essay. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, why? Why can't they do that?

 

00:15:47:08 - 00:16:16:00

Unknown

Everybody's got a phone to record and I can't remember if I remember correctly. She said, oh, I've never thought about it. You've been teaching for 20 some years. You've never thought about that. But they can't. That's the problem because the school let them. What? They won't let them think out of the box. Right? Right. What's what is and that's, you know, and and the the call I had is like, you think if she gets the right answer every single time and you know, she's got an IEP, what is wrong with getting the right answer every time, right?

 

00:16:16:00 - 00:16:34:08

Unknown

Just because our brain doesn't process blocks. You know, I'm not you know, I can pick up a coach and tell you if it's going to fit through the door 15ft away. Right. And that's an a huge, amazing life skill. Right. Well, you know, and this little girl can do. But you're telling her she can't. She gets the answer.

 

00:16:34:10 - 00:16:52:22

Unknown

Now she's getting the wrong answer every time. But you know, so he was like, and she's defeated. Well, why can't she if you why don't you just test her for a little bit? If she's always getting the right answer, then I think she knows what you're talking about. But you, if you get the wrong answer every time. All right, he's different story, but he's like, why not?

 

00:16:53:01 - 00:17:17:08

Unknown

What's wrong? I thought that every, all with Montgomery, all through high school, all through high school, all through middle school. And I was like, I'm not going away until you guys do it. They never did it. They never did it. And like, it's it's those things that going into the neurons, like just at school makes me so angry.

 

00:17:17:08 - 00:17:51:19

Unknown

Watching my daughter who enjoys learning, right. She enjoys learning. But the amount of busy, stupid work they give them that has nothing to do with life makes me so angry. And it like there's times where I'm just like, you know, you're defeated because I am one person, what can I do? Like how can you change about education? The fact that, like Montgomery has senior year had to do Shakespeare, you know, and the teacher was like, oh, we were just like, first of all, why, why like why there's so many other ways like, well, who the fuck cares?

 

00:17:51:19 - 00:18:03:11

Unknown

Like, yes, Shakespeare was an amazing playwright and all these different things, but reading his work is really difficult for anyone. And it's like, what?

 

00:18:03:12 - 00:18:23:14

Unknown

Because they were tights. It's just it's just it makes me angry. Young. And I say, I say that. Yeah, because I know, I don't care. You want to single us out, right? You know, obviously you on a tangent. This was now let's go back. If you if you didn't have Montgomery tested and gone through the neuro psych and no one.

 

00:18:23:16 - 00:18:44:08

Unknown

Right. How how much harder it would be. And that's what we are going with. You're going to get understanding, right? That's where this whole thing is, right? You're going to get some some clear understanding for yourself. Is it ADHD? Is it? I know I'm just obviously naming things, all those things, you know, is it autism iceberg. These are all the things that neuroscience tests for.

 

00:18:44:08 - 00:19:05:05

Unknown

Right. So you're going to find out and have understanding I think for the first time in your life, full understanding of what all this is. And like you just said earlier when you started this, I thought that X fell under, you know, Y umbrella. And I thought Z falls on the umbrella. So you must have some understanding to this.

 

00:19:05:05 - 00:19:34:14

Unknown

And anybody who's listening who's going to get their kid tested. And that's why we, we scream and shout from the rooftops to get your test kids tested. So now you have the understanding of what actually is going on. Well and that's the thing. And so yes I'm what I'm excited about and I don't know if the audience or I, what I'm curious about is to see if, because I didn't really know I didn't, I really didn't think I was just graphic until Truman I think was diagnosed.

 

00:19:34:14 - 00:19:54:23

Unknown

And then I was like, oh fuck. I was like, I'm totally this graphic. That's crazy. Dyscalculia. I always was just thought I was like, dumb girl math. However, when I think Montgomery it's they're called blond math. Oh, right. But women math, right? I literally had teachers tell me that they're like, you don't know math because you're a girl.

 

00:19:54:23 - 00:20:10:12

Unknown

Just go sit in the back. It's not it's not worth it. Like I would be like, I don't know, math. I still go to math. That's all right. I can't gamble. You know, we've been talking about this a lot lately. No gambling. Yeah. You know, I'm like, I can't gamble because. -125. What the fuck is that? What do you mean, minus?

 

00:20:10:12 - 00:20:32:13

Unknown

Like, what is like. And it's tough. Nobody's never. And you know, this is going to clarify clarity. But nobody screamed about the five D's going dyslexia. Nobody's ever talked about all the other D's, right. Nobody's and I. And on the call before I got there, I was wrong. I'm like fucking Newton nerd a virgin. Diverse. You know. You know I started you know, he started laughing.

 

00:20:32:13 - 00:20:50:21

Unknown

I'm like because nobody we I want our own I want my own word. I want our own focus on us. But nobody's ever talked about it so recently. Obviously, just quickly, you knew what it is now. Right. And I just and I was like, oh wait, I totally have that. Like that's there's no, you know, but it's interesting.

 

00:20:50:21 - 00:21:08:19

Unknown

I'm just very curious to see because we've talked about how when I was in college and then I took meds, I started doing pretty well in school. Now I had to work. I mean, ridiculous, like, you know, stopped playing sports because I was like, okay, wait, now I'm going to really focus on this. I had to work ridiculously hard.

 

00:21:08:21 - 00:21:26:01

Unknown

But that is a very curious thing because my kids never took meds. And I know my mom always was like, I, I mean, my mom didn't think I was the brightest. She didn't think I was stupid because if my mom's listening, you should be like Harper. She knew I was smart in different ways, but she knew school was, you know, tough for me.

 

00:21:26:03 - 00:21:41:02

Unknown

But she was. So she was like, I didn't realize that you would get such good grades. I mean, I made the honor roll a couple years now. I was taking communications, radio, television, film. I was doing a lot of creative things. Right. So I wasn't doing just traditional school. But I'm very curious to see where my strengths and weaknesses lie.

 

00:21:41:02 - 00:22:01:03

Unknown

I think I know them, but I don't think I, I don't realize where the things hinder. And I loved how, you know, Doctor Gilbert did that with, with Truman and Penelope. Like, it was like, okay, see how high they are in these two areas, but see where there's like. I mean, especially for Penelope, there was like literally just two scores that were like, yeah, that's why she is just graphic and dyscalculia.

 

00:22:01:03 - 00:22:21:06

Unknown

Now she's been able to offset it because look how high like she was exceptional and everything. Now I know that I'm not exceptional in the areas that she's exceptional. But I do know, as you said, I am very smart in a very different nontraditional school way. And I do know that I know I'm wise. I do know that I'm smart, but it is not a school smart.

 

00:22:21:10 - 00:22:49:23

Unknown

It is not a school smart at all. Yeah. It's, it's still to this day, I think I'm, you know, dumb, right? Every day. And. Yeah, I don't know, you know, it's you get told that long enough and, you know, and that's why we do what we do every day. And, you know, poor Dan is going to be the only one in the house and have that in your house, like, maybe he needs it.

 

00:22:50:00 - 00:23:10:20

Unknown

Oh, we don't have a family. Oh, this is for next Christmas. Everybody can have their Nero's taken and you can have it all under the tree. And you guys can all talk about it. Exactly. But yeah. So I'm will, I am I, it will be interesting. I think it's going to as you said, it's going to answer some things that I was like, wow, okay.

 

00:23:10:22 - 00:23:30:05

Unknown

Interesting. It would be interesting to see how much when you get those results back that you don't see it because our defense mechanisms are. So we've been doing it for so long, right. You know, as old as we are, I know we've had them up for 30 or 40 years. Right. So it'll be interesting to see when you take a look at that.

 

00:23:30:10 - 00:23:52:05

Unknown

You know, how you break it down and how it's broken down to see how prevalent each side is. Maybe insurance to see where your defense mechanisms you know why between there. Yeah. Well and so the one of the member I talked about back in the day when I was doing, some coaching and I took this, it was like, oh, we got a personal development course.

 

00:23:52:05 - 00:24:16:19

Unknown

And the woman did, she did basically did brain stuff for NASA, and it was the coolest thing. But I had to draw an object from the projector and put it on a piece of paper. And like, I, I mean, I whoever hasn't heard it, I'll be very quick, but I literally could not do it. I could not take and it was like a house and then but it had like triangles and squares and circles and they were all connected.

 

00:24:16:19 - 00:24:34:20

Unknown

But like very specifically. And I literally after I looked down and I was like, first of all, I was so anxious doing it in the first place because I knew that that is a I cannot take things from the board and put them on a piece of paper. I cannot do that. And that is clearly one of the five days I don't know exactly where.

 

00:24:34:20 - 00:24:55:15

Unknown

And so that's things that I'm going to be like, oh, that oh, wow. Okay. That's what's interesting. But I literally looked at the girl next to me and the girl next to me, and theirs was perfection. And I and they looked at mine and then looked at me and their face. One was a kindergarten teacher and looked at me, and I looked and I just, like, burst into tears because I was like, Holy shit, what the fuck is wrong with me?

 

00:24:55:15 - 00:25:12:09

Unknown

I can't believe that. Like, this is right. It wasn't. It was worsening kindergarten. It looked like it was like, you know, someone that I don't even know, but but that showed that my brain is called a direction changing brain. And I was like, And then there was another girl that had a direction changing brain, but hers.

 

00:25:12:09 - 00:25:28:04

Unknown

It was the way that I picked up my like. It was the way that I drew it. The directions that I drew it is how my brain works. But you could clearly the woman like she was like, you do. Are you dyslexic? And she, you know, and I, you know, named on the things. And I was like undiagnosed that you know what I mean?

 

00:25:28:04 - 00:25:49:14

Unknown

But like, yes, my kids are and you know, and stuff like that. But so that is just what like is really fascinating. And that's what I'm looking forward to in this skeptically. You know, our last week when I, you know, saw my body and, you know, Elizabeth and him were talking about, you know, my driving. You know, everybody thinks I'm a terrible driver.

 

00:25:49:14 - 00:26:08:05

Unknown

Well, no, you know, I never thought about it. Now, you know. Is he? I see space is better than anybody, right? My space. I want to say I don't think you're a terrible driver. I mean, I've only driven you there a couple times, but. So. So I can cut. I cut things close, because I know, I know where I'm at.

 

00:26:08:07 - 00:26:30:13

Unknown

Yeah, right. I can see. Oh, right. You know, people think, oh, my God, you're a fucking asshole because you just like, there's plenty of room because I have that spatial awareness, right? You know? Oh, my God, you're hitting his car. No, not I know I'm not. All right, you know, so you make me anxious. That driver is all the time, you know, just go see how quiet in the car they go.

 

00:26:30:13 - 00:27:05:10

Unknown

Oh, yeah. You're absolutely right. But that's. I can see that. Oh. How much? My insurance premium. Yeah. That's beside the whatever whatever. But you know, and I never I think it's Sean what it's like. Yeah. Yeah I, you know, but you know I never thought about it. So really to we're just talking about right now is I can see those spaces like if you're on a two, two lane, you know, highway, you know, there's a car I can get through that whole I, you know, I can see you half a mile away if I can make that right.

 

00:27:05:12 - 00:27:32:00

Unknown

Most people don't. They're like, oh, fuck. Like Elizabeth. Like, you know, driving around Saint Louis, she's like, I just can't pay attention because you're stressed, right? Yeah. But that's, you know. But so that's the interesting thing if you think about it though, is how do you relate that to school? Right. The traditional school is like that is a huge like that is a really I mean, that's a gift.

 

00:27:32:00 - 00:27:53:17

Unknown

I mean, that's why you obviously were so talented in hockey because you saw that, right? I mean, that's where you were able to translate literally. I just thought about it now just as we were speaking. Yeah. Well, that's our conversation. So again, it's taken me 49 years to get to that answer. Like I knew, but I never like, you know, and listening to, you know, Sean telling the stories when we drive in Elizabeth's.

 

00:27:53:21 - 00:28:14:08

Unknown

Oh yeah. You know. Yeah. I just can't pay attention, you know, because you know, but I never put it together until just now. So it's taken me 49 years. And to your point, no school or this, this and this. I just got shut down and told you're an idiot because you don't know what you're talking about. Right? But we see things different.

 

00:28:14:08 - 00:28:30:23

Unknown

And that's why the understanding is so important. The understanding for the both the kid and the parent, so they can advocate. But the way the traditional school is, it's still going to be tough. Like that's the one thing like, I know we talk about like all the understanding and it's just going to be easier. And it is there's going to be a sense easier.

 

00:28:30:23 - 00:28:48:05

Unknown

I just had a friend that her daughter was just diagnosed and she goes, the first thing she said to go and I, I, you know, I would never say I told you so. So but she goes the first thing she said was, oh my gosh, that I feel so much better because now I know I'm not dumb. And the mom was like, you get such good grades, what are you talking about?

 

00:28:48:05 - 00:29:01:10

Unknown

And I said to my friend, I was like, this is why I've been saying to you, I really think you need to get her tested. Even though, because I could tell, I knew, I knew she did. I've known she did since she was in elementary school, but she got by and she was fine, and she was very happy like that.

 

00:29:01:10 - 00:29:19:21

Unknown

And so it would be like, well, I don't know, it doesn't seem like it's affecting her. And then classes started getting harder and I was like, that's when it's going to ward head. But so it's as much as people hate like the labels and they're like, you don't want this, you don't want that. For the individual, it means the world because there's understanding behind it.

 

00:29:19:21 - 00:29:32:08

Unknown

And that's what, you know, when you talk about that brand like that's and there's still going to be teachers that don't understand it, you're still going to have to fight. As I said, Montgomery knows the second he knows the teacher is not going to get it. He's like, all right, I got to figure it out myself. Now think about that.

 

00:29:32:08 - 00:29:50:02

Unknown

As a kid, that's little. That's a lot of stress for a kid. And that's what that that's what sucks. That's why so much in school has to change. But little by little we are going to do that. You know, I had a guy, you know, who was you know, painting, you know, one of our painters for his parents house.

 

00:29:50:02 - 00:30:10:18

Unknown

He's a can't tell me a little dyslexia. So Santorum, he's like, when you see the word. And what do you see? You know, I can I taught is actually his kid was part of no shirt Sundays. So that's why I brought it out. Right. So yeah. But you know, again, been the painter Jerry Carver for 28, 29 years.

 

00:30:10:21 - 00:30:30:07

Unknown

And he's not a teacher, but, you know, his daughter's, you know, a school teacher now and getting her master's. But just that question there and I, you know, answer and we talked about it and he's like, oh, I had no idea. But that's what people ask all the time, right? Teachers ask, what do you see? Like. It's like, what do we got a different set of eyes.

 

00:30:30:09 - 00:30:46:17

Unknown

Right. So it's like asking a colorblind person, well, what do you say? They don't they they don't. They see what they see because they don't. I mean, it's the only way you've ever been, right as a six year old. I mean, so when I, when I was younger, somebody what do you see when you own. What do you mean no.

 

00:30:46:22 - 00:31:01:12

Unknown

How do you tell a six year old how you ask a seven year old or a ten year old or 12? What do you mean? What do I see? Yeah, I know, I can't tell the time on that stupid clock that everyone keeps telling me, and I panic because I can't do it. So then my parents got me the digital clock, and I remember being like, oh, thank God, I can look down at that, right?

 

00:31:01:12 - 00:31:19:04

Unknown

And then it was like the teacher would be like, well, don't give him the digital clock because they need to learn that I still the clock. That's the hands. I have to sit there and really stare at it. And when someone uses like quarter past or whatever, I'm always like, can you just say right about a quarter past?

 

00:31:19:06 - 00:31:39:02

Unknown

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, I have so know, I know that. But that's like a really big thing. I and I, that's where I'm like always very curious is that my dyslexia, my ADHD, my dyscalculia or my dysgraphia, I've got to do everything, you know. And I think I, you know, when I think about it, I everything I've got to do by fives.

 

00:31:39:02 - 00:32:04:11

Unknown

Right. So if you're looking at looking at that clock 510, you know, and I can do you know, I can do it now. But my anxiety for missing being late, my anxiety for, for, you know, walking in all somewhere late, like, obviously where where are we going? I think we're going to San Louis. And I was like, okay, what time we're leaving now I need to know at this time because I don't need you fucking start pacing seven hours before we got to fucking leave, right?

 

00:32:04:11 - 00:32:26:05

Unknown

And then you bring it. Yeah. You're, everything is fine. I'm going to do all the, you know, time and clocks and numbers, you know, by fives. And I never thought about it even on, when I'm driving. I used to how everything was by fives. So the temperature in degrees in 75 couldn't be 71 or could be 72.

 

00:32:26:06 - 00:32:45:22

Unknown

Right. It was always. Yeah, I just thought about that. Right. And and that was your number. So it wasn't that I. Oh yeah. You know, but that's how I, I was about lucky 510. Right. You know, there was no one, two, three. Yeah. No it does little fucking dots on it. And they put it on the paper. I can still remember being like, I don't know.

 

00:32:46:00 - 00:33:13:01

Unknown

Come on, tell me. I don't care. I got my digital watch on my arm. I can tell you right here. Right. Yeah. So that kind of stuff. Right. But as much as yes, we're getting the early diagnosis is so important, but it's the understanding. So then you can also just soften things for your kid, right? As my mom used to always say to me, teachers taught because that's what they were good at.

 

00:33:13:01 - 00:33:37:17

Unknown

It has nothing to do with you. And that got me through stuff. I mean, that definitely got me through stuff when I was little. Well, and, you know, working on and on this, you know, it's would you rather get hit with a pill or a two by four and if you can soften it. Yeah. For your kid rather than, you know, it's it's literally life changing and we'll leave it at that.

 

00:33:37:19 - 00:33:43:22

Unknown

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