S4E26: The Power of Early Detection in Learning Disabilities

Join Juliet and Brent as they explore the nuances of early childhood education, the impact of school assessments, and personal stories about school experiences and parenting decisions. This conversation offers insights into developmental maturity, testing, and the importance of attentive support for children.

 

Chapters

 

00:00 Embracing Mondays: A Unique Perspective

10:11 Navigating Education: Early Diagnosis and Its Implications

19:50 Navigating Early Education Challenges

22:14 Understanding Developmental Milestones

23:42 The Importance of Early Detection

25:48 Assessments and Their Implications

27:54 Balancing Support and Independence in Education

30:13 The Role of Qualified Educators

32:51 Experience vs. Training in Teaching

35:09 The Impact of Individual Learning Needs

 

Transcript

 

00:00:07:15 - 00:00:35:00

Unknown

It's Monday is Japan pen and is one day. Oh, it is Monday. How did you pick Mondays to record? I did Mondays to record. I actually like a Monday. I know most people don't like Monday, but we know that I'm not like most people. I like the motivation. I like the energy that it brings into the week because I knew we were going to enjoy recording, I wanted that.

 

00:00:35:02 - 00:00:57:06

Unknown

I know that I usually am like pretty rested on a Monday, so I'm like, good. Like if a week you go into the week and you've had a tough week and then you're recording on a Friday, you're like, you come in with lower energy. So Mondays, like you kind of refill back in my hangover days. I would always save like Sunday to be like, okay, so the Monday I would be like pretty okay.

 

00:00:57:07 - 00:01:17:04

Unknown

Like Friday, Saturday I'd be like, shit. So you drink Friday and Saturday and leave and. Yeah, and or. Yeah. And so then Sunday I would kind of regroup. And then as the kids got even older, it was just Friday. So then Saturday and Sunday were groups because I couldn't handle another day. So that I just always like Mondays were always good for me.

 

00:01:17:04 - 00:01:48:17

Unknown

Like, I just felt like, energized. Some people don't like Mondays. I don't know too many people that do. Do you like it? I don't like any days. All right. Now. Okay, okay. But think about that. Actually, I want to like, what is your. Let's talk about different parts of your life. What day of the week was your favorite?

 

00:01:48:19 - 00:01:53:10

Unknown

None.

 

00:01:53:12 - 00:02:25:22

Unknown

So for me. There was no. Post school. Every day was the same for me, right? Like hockey fell on a Friday night. On a Saturday night. Sunday night. Right. So it wasn't. It didn't matter. Like it wasn't. Season was. Yeah. Season and office and your senior season and all season. So you know people look forward to weekend or you know some people who get you know Wednesday Thursday off or you know, they look forward to those days.

 

00:02:25:22 - 00:02:48:06

Unknown

So like there was no. And every Friday night when I played, now the rules are different. You know, in the NHL they've got to get four days off a month. We had no schedule days like you. They were going how should the rules change for that where you have to have mandatory four days off month. We didn't have that.

 

00:02:48:07 - 00:03:11:12

Unknown

If we're, if we played back then coach go fuck you guys. Let's go. You know a lot of times our days off for, for playing in California, stay night or overnight in the game because, you know, it's just say, you know, you're playing in LA, you stay overnight because it's a 930 start our time, you know, 730 there.

 

00:03:11:15 - 00:03:35:06

Unknown

Stay overnight and have like a 9 a.m. flight the next morning. Come back. That was our day off right. Was was it was in the air. So there's so I for 20 years there there was no the good days are bad days. There was no scheduled days. It was I have every Saturday Sunday off. There was there's not, you know, none of that.

 

00:03:35:08 - 00:03:58:04

Unknown

There's no schedule, there's no consistency. You never knew what was going on. And or, you know, I because I know he played bad. Too bad. No days off it. Yeah. We'll see you in the morning or our our days off or showers around. Whatever the coach wanted. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So I mean. Exactly. So you it didn't really land and where it was a day of the week.

 

00:03:58:04 - 00:04:17:06

Unknown

So when my kids were like little, I hated Mondays because it was like, oh, now we gotta get back. I like, like Thursdays and Fridays when I was, like, single in the city. I did not like Mondays, you know, I didn't I like, liked my job, but I didn't love my job my later half of my life. I like Mondays are one of my favorite days because I really like what I'm doing.

 

00:04:17:06 - 00:04:46:05

Unknown

So it's like, okay, oh yeah, yeah, I can get started. And like, you know, on the weekends, I tried to, like, not be working like a workaholic. You know, I kind of like, like take it down. So it's like, I like to get back and starting when the kids also were younger and travel sports, I mean, I had we had three all playing travel sports like they sometimes we were, we had like 15 games a weekend now I enjoyed that, but it was never like enjoying it because you like you were going to the next thing, going to the next thing, making sure you had the times so was more rushed.

 

00:04:46:06 - 00:05:06:07

Unknown

I enjoyed it. But then Monday for school for for like you said, for kids going to school. Yeah. Or for people like us or who, you know, who hated school. Monday is the worst, right? Oh, we had to go back again. We're going to walk in that Clinton all those doors again. Yeah. No. You get my homework done.

 

00:05:06:07 - 00:05:35:00

Unknown

Like is just for two days. You could, you know you know I probably say maybe day and a half. Right. If you think of it, Friday after school to Sunday afternoon, you can unplug, right. You could not stress. You can not worry. But when you talk about when we're talking about, you know, health and wellness and you guys and your circadian rhythm or whatever that question, you just think about anxiety, right?

 

00:05:35:00 - 00:06:11:20

Unknown

You know, as a kid, you know, I remember elementary, it was 9 to 330. Right at 330 at that bell you could let go. All right. So then from started 330 to know almost probably each Sunday at 330. Oh then you start thinking it all right. Now I school tomorrow morning, I do, you know, did my homework you know did I do get this done did I, you know then your anxiety starts you know starts ramping up.

 

00:06:11:22 - 00:06:32:06

Unknown

Yeah. And it's interesting even going back to think about like especially even though I didn't like school, I loved the social part. Like I always had a boyfriend. I couldn't wait to see or like my friends that I didn't see. So there was always like but Mondays typically because also being all or nothing, it like when I let go, it's like, okay, I'm out.

 

00:06:32:06 - 00:06:49:01

Unknown

And then it sometimes takes a little time to get back worked out. But two days I'm like pretty good. But if it's like a week or a week and a half, it's like, okay, I've let go after like three days and then it's like, oh, I got to get back into routine. So like a Monday just is like, it's here.

 

00:06:49:03 - 00:07:08:19

Unknown

But also if you think about it, knowing the work that we do also and knowing the work that I do and like I could have a heavy week. And so one day it was like, I'm just fresh and like, I know this will like start my week happy and like, good because we'll have a good conversation and I'm like motivated and yeah, so that's why I picked Monday.

 

00:07:08:21 - 00:07:28:06

Unknown

And I also I think I also did it because it was like if you had longer like if it's depending on how your week was going to go, I was like, let's, let's get it done. And that was, you know, you're on that. When I was coaching, right. There was no, you know, days off. There's no like there's no scares.

 

00:07:28:06 - 00:07:51:03

Unknown

I was okay. So I grew up in a different life right. Yeah. You know is well the only time the, the, you know, weekend when, you know, when the kids are younger is all right. And I got to run around with them. But no, it's my life didn't consist of Monday, Monday through Friday. It was no game day.

 

00:07:51:05 - 00:08:14:19

Unknown

So my life was all right. It's game day. It's game day, right? You know, got to eat it. Yes. There's a 7:00 game or 730. We would have a 10 a.m. practice. I'd come back and eat like noon for 30. And that was my, you know, I didn't eat again until ten, 11:00 at night. What would you eat?

 

00:08:14:21 - 00:08:52:02

Unknown

Pasta. Plain pasta with cheese and ketchup and bread. Carving it up. Oh. So good. Dip that bread in the ketchup. And he did. And then would you eat after the game? Yeah, then I did. Then I need after the game or you know, for on the road. We'd have 1130 and practice side about 1:00 and we had more food like you walk into a conference room and think we probably have.

 

00:08:52:04 - 00:09:35:01

Unknown

Ten eight foot tables where a food different types of pasta whole. We pass, you know, it's spaghetti different sort for different sauces and salads and 16 different dressings and salmon and steak and chicken and ice cream and like. Right through your front yard by 1:00. And then I'd maybe have a protein bar before, you know, before the game, when it gets to the rink, I'd have a pack of Eminem's and Pepsi before I got on the bus or the ranking right.

 

00:09:35:03 - 00:09:47:02

Unknown

Game day. Yeah. Now. So it's interesting, but like, yeah, I that's why I picked to look how we talked for ten minutes about Monday.

 

00:09:47:04 - 00:10:16:19

Unknown

I'm sure the listeners enjoy that getting a little bit into our into our brains. I know that they enjoy that. So today I think there's I mean, I love when we have multiple things where a week before or weekend we've had, you know, either someone reaching out, asking us questions or we you've stumbled across an article or we've sent each other an ECG and it's like, you know, kind of sparked something to talk about.

 

00:10:16:21 - 00:10:41:15

Unknown

And yeah, a lot of things going on in the world, there's a lot of things going on in the world right now. Like I say, you know, two, obviously you want to talk more. The message you got from going on in new Jersey, I think I sent you, you know, Illinois, what they're trying to do in Illinois with the second line, which, there's actually two I get let's go here.

 

00:10:41:17 - 00:11:14:07

Unknown

So in new Jersey there. So I read, which is like the reading test that has been implemented to like statewide, right? Yeah. To flag individuals. But as we've talked about, there are certain times and this is like there's such a gray area because there's times where I am like, if if you can see, we talk about all the little nuances with the, with children to know, okay, they could, especially if it's hereditary, if X, Y and Z are happening, you really should be watching them, right?

 

00:11:14:07 - 00:11:38:17

Unknown

And you really should be watching them to see if they have, you know, if they're struggling here or struggling there, you know, and those kind of things to flag them to be like, maybe they need some intervention. But then there's also where there are certain grades like kindergarten, we've talked about, you know, we've even talked about with, you know, our the neuropsychologist that we work with, that kindergarten is a little early to be tested.

 

00:11:38:19 - 00:12:05:15

Unknown

For the academic part. Right. And I, I'm curious of your thoughts because. Montgomery, obviously, we knew then we didn't know because he was memorizing. Right. But like, we knew his dysgraphia. And so he was getting some, you know, assistance there. But what is the fine line of diagnosing too early or flagging someone too early or waiting? You know, it's the self-esteem.

 

00:12:05:15 - 00:12:42:18

Unknown

And I think it's really specific to the individual. Now, if you talk about not taking your kid for neuro psych, right, obviously, you know, to be able to do a full neuro psych on on a kid and minimum age is six. Yeah. So depending on where you go, if you're talking about kindergarten, depending on where you fall in that, you know, if they're five, you know, in six is that age where you're able to, to test a little bit more, give the, give the tests more or the kid more.

 

00:12:42:20 - 00:13:14:21

Unknown

Options for tests if they need be. As you're doing that neuroscience at five, you're not able to do that. You're only able to do a few few things and yeah. So you take the just, you know, on off perspective, obviously being six years old is, you know, a big jump in abilities to be able to test on a wider scale if, if those things come up, during those tests and you take them, think about your five and six year old's like, that's I think that's young.

 

00:13:14:23 - 00:13:41:15

Unknown

I think that, depending on what you're looking for, you know, pending on what's, what is going on, you know, I think ADHD, for a kid or odd person for, you know, for, for a 5 or 6 year old kid that that could stand out now. But if you're talking about, you know, dyslexia, right. This graph.

 

00:13:41:15 - 00:13:45:13

Unknown

Yeah. Those are the five D's.

 

00:13:45:15 - 00:14:09:11

Unknown

Five, six, maybe a little young. You know, I think, you know, I think just recently here in Illinois, they put kindergarten all day long. It used to be two hours and they're still young. They're still going home, you know, with with diapers on and sippy cups in the car seat. Right. So I think, you know, actually, I think we we talked about this in our call last week.

 

00:14:09:13 - 00:14:33:18

Unknown

Our group, you know, grade 2 to 3 is the is the key area if we can get them diagnosed by then. So, I know Lyla was in grade one when we got her tested for the neuro psych, so I think that's kind of the, like, kind of the sweet spot, because you get a little past the maturity stage, right?

 

00:14:33:20 - 00:14:58:06

Unknown

You know, being five and six. So I think for learning disorders, you know, dyslexia, it's just, you know, dyslexia itself, I think five is is very hard to test. It's hard enough to get a kid to sit down and eat Donaldson fries at five. Right. How are you going to be able to test, you know, a neurosurgeon?

 

00:14:58:06 - 00:15:18:14

Unknown

As you know, every time I go to build to do an IQ test, that has to be done as part of a Neurosci. As much as we hate it, right. I can't sit there for two hours now. When I was five. No. Okay. So I have a couple. This is great. I because I have a couple thoughts because I want to think about the positives and the negatives.

 

00:15:18:16 - 00:15:42:21

Unknown

So because we talk about like finding out as early as possible. Right. Is you can do the interventions and you can help where the kid doesn't then fall behind. If someone in this specific case and I didn't get into, I just they asked me a specific question. If I knew the testing kind of the group of testing that that was being done, through the, the school.

 

00:15:42:23 - 00:16:01:20

Unknown

But the child was flagged in kindergarten because of the i-ready. Now, because at first I was like, oh, that's bullshit. School trying to push things. And then I was like, wait a second. In my head, I was like, well, we always complain that the school doesn't do enough. So I want to think about this, like, is this what are the benefits if okay, and what are the negative?

 

00:16:01:20 - 00:16:22:20

Unknown

I don't know the the family that this is around. So I have no idea who they are. So they might be someone that's like I don't want my kid to be labeled. So that's why they're pissed, right? Or is it that they don't want. Yeah. So that I was like kind of going back and forth like if they're flagged and they start getting accommodations, is that a good thing or is it.

 

00:16:22:22 - 00:16:35:19

Unknown

And we probably need to know more before you can answer, but I'm going to leave that and then see what you I think yeah I need to do a little bit more. But again, fine. It's to get flagged right. Start monitoring.

 

00:16:35:21 - 00:16:56:21

Unknown

Being flagged. I just think it's a you know, there's obviously a big difference from, let's say, being five years old and six. How much kid was it? You know. Gross. Yeah. So I'm not I'm all I'm good with them. Flagging. No problem. All right. We're going to pay attention to this kid. Perfect hour. At least you're paying attention, right?

 

00:16:56:21 - 00:17:22:02

Unknown

There's some. There's something there. I was just referencing, like, if you're going to take your child for a full, you know, neurosis, like, don't worry, I'm good with them, you know, using. Yeah. And there's 10 million of the, you know, the i-ready and, you know, you know, a little buddy there who created his own, and, I'm, I'm good with a, you know, least they're they're trying to pay attention.

 

00:17:22:02 - 00:17:38:14

Unknown

Right now, obviously. What comes with it next? Obviously there's something there maybe on the severe side of things to be flagged at kindergarten.

 

00:17:38:16 - 00:17:55:13

Unknown

Right. Or is it because there are back and then, I mean, to interrupt you, but like, think about back in the day when they would say to families like they're too young, they haven't developed yet. They're like a young boy, like some are birthday. Right. Like both of my boys were summer birthdays. And it was like that was.

 

00:17:55:19 - 00:18:18:20

Unknown

And my mom was a kindergarten teacher. So I used to hear about summer birthdays all the time. Like, you know, you're not mature at six months at a certain time. If you think about it, in ages and especially, there's always a jump five, as you said, five, 4 or 5, six, seven. There is a huge jump at the mature maturity, getting into the rhythm of things, understanding how like, okay, I'm in school now, I got to do X, Y and Z.

 

00:18:18:22 - 00:18:40:07

Unknown

Malcolm Gladwell's book, right? Why are most athletes born in January? Very March, right. Because they're older. Yep. No. Their part is more mature and it's faster in the learning portion. Exactly the same thing. What you're talking about the cerebellum like so I'm a Jarvis from January 7th. So half the kids I played against I was seven, eight, nine, ten, 11 months old or older.

 

00:18:40:09 - 00:19:02:10

Unknown

And same thing in the school perspective. Exactly what you're saying that's that's huge. Right. And where we were in Darien, Connecticut, when we moved from the city and we moved to Connecticut, I don't know if I shared the story. So I was ready to put Montgomery into kindergarten at five, and he's a July birthday, so he would have been just July.

 

00:19:02:10 - 00:19:18:03

Unknown

And my mom was like, I really think you should be holding him back now. When we were in the city, we couldn't. So we like they were like, you can't they? You're not allowed. There's no pre-K because of, numbers and stuff like that. So I knew that. So I kind of in my head was just like, okay, we're doing kindergarten.

 

00:19:18:03 - 00:19:40:01

Unknown

I'm not going to be able to hold like, hold him back or do a pre-K. And I don't like holding back because it was a pre-K that's like not really holding back. It's like they're five, they're young. So when we got to Connecticut, we moved right before school. But basically pre-K is booked seven, eight months ahead of time.

 

00:19:40:03 - 00:19:59:00

Unknown

You know, we were still in the city, so we didn't know where we were moving. So we get there and everyone's like, you know, I started talking to people and they're like, oh, are you doing pre-K? And I was like, no, because in the city you couldn't. They're like, oh, he's going to be really young. And then we realized he was also struggling.

 

00:19:59:02 - 00:20:16:06

Unknown

So they're like, you need to find a pre-K. And I was like, all right, I called every pre-K in the town. They're like, yeah, no spot. And I was like, oh my God. Then I started panicking because my mom was like, C! And I was like, mom, I didn't know that we were moving to Connecticut. We literally moved from the Brooklyn.

 

00:20:16:06 - 00:20:32:22

Unknown

We sold our place. We moved March and March, April, May, I think we closed May or June, like stayed at the beach and then we're like literally August, like two weeks before school starts. We moved in like a minute or whatever. There was like our kids didn't have transition problems, so it was fine. We're like, oh, we're here now.

 

00:20:32:22 - 00:20:51:15

Unknown

This is what we're going to do. They were really kind of easygoing that way, but this is what and I'll never forget, her name was April. She was the director of the YMCA. So I did get Truman into a, a force program, you know, the threes program. But that was. And he never did. He didn't do pre-K.

 

00:20:51:15 - 00:21:09:00

Unknown

I didn't do like, pre-K. When my kids were little, I was like, no, I want them home. So he went to a Presbyterian when I got the last spot or Methodist, I don't know, it was Methodist, whatever. And it was cute, but it was like on the other side of town. So I was like, okay, so I literally could I had all Montgomery on every waitlist.

 

00:21:09:02 - 00:21:26:06

Unknown

And then there was, a pre-K like an hour away. And I was like, oh my God. And they're like, don't put him into kindergarten. Like, he's going to be the youngest. There's everyone is sex. Like he's going to be a whole year and he's struggling. And I was like, oh, it was it was so much stress the day before.

 

00:21:26:06 - 00:21:47:12

Unknown

And we were traveling because my sisters just had a baby two days before pre-K was starting, the YMCA called, and April was like, I don't know, you should play the lottery. This has never happened. I've been here for 30 years. The little girl's parents decided they were going to put him, put her in kindergarten at the last minute.

 

00:21:47:12 - 00:22:13:11

Unknown

You got a spot. So then I had kids in two different preschools, but it was, like, the best thing. And everyone in Connecticut was six going into kindergarten. For the most part, I should say. But most people. And it was the best thing for him. He needed it. Yeah. It's that it's a huge, huge development, right? Yeah. You think of let's just use, you know, a five year old and six year old, you can tell night and day the difference.

 

00:22:13:11 - 00:22:43:12

Unknown

Right. And so so you talk about the education portion around that to the maturity portion, all those kinds of things. So that's why, you know, six is the cutoff, right? You know, you know, the threshold for to be able to give, neuroscience tests and more, more tests as you're doing that. So it's understandable you're looking at a five year old and six year old, you know, when I go here in Illinois, like up until last year, they're going for two hours, you know, five year olds, right?

 

00:22:43:12 - 00:23:05:01

Unknown

Six year olds are going all day. So the big difference. But I'm good with they're flagging it. That's what I thought I felt like they were flagging it. But is there a negative. So that's why I want to talk about is there a negative like does the kid then get into like the special ed track and they never can get out of it and maybe they didn't need it like I don't know.

 

00:23:05:03 - 00:23:26:17

Unknown

See, for me it would be no I don't I obviously I can't answer that because I don't know what they're doing. I'm good with being flagged. Okay. Let's watch this kid. Yeah I don't know if it's a boy or girl. Let's watch them. Let's pay attention. Maybe let's get them. You know, a couple. How? A little bit of resource, right?

 

00:23:26:18 - 00:23:44:11

Unknown

A little extra help. I wouldn't be taking them out anywhere. I wouldn't be doing any. That would just be attention. Right. So now we're paying attention. All right, where was he or she? Now, let's just, give him a little extra help. That's what that, you know, that's where I come from, is just give me a little extra help.

 

00:23:44:11 - 00:24:03:04

Unknown

I wouldn't be pulling him out. I wouldn't be taking him down the hall. I wouldn't be giving anything difference for him. I giving a little, little tap, little help, a little understanding, you know, and just watching and just watching it, you know, a lot changes in a year. And now if it doesn't right. You'll be able to see as this goes on.

 

00:24:03:04 - 00:24:28:23

Unknown

But at least you're paying attention. You know, I wouldn't be ripping them out and pulling them out and putting in a different, different classroom or trying to do different things or being trying to reinvent the world. All right, let's pay attention. Let's watch us. So then you can see month by month where you know where they're at. You're just see, I remember for me who's I think the longest road trip that I went on 17 days.

 

00:24:29:00 - 00:24:54:09

Unknown

Going for 17 days. You come back here. Kids are different people right. Absolutely. Right. So the education piece would be same thing. Let's just now so you know for being flagged I'm good with it. I don't think it's a negative unless they start doing some crazy things. Right, right, right. And I think that's where that, that there's the, the concerned because it's the i-ready.

 

00:24:54:10 - 00:25:13:21

Unknown

We've heard people talk about the i-ready I need to like, I don't know, I know what it is. I know that a lot of, you know, people are using it for early detection. But I don't I've never seen what assessments they're doing within it. Yeah. I, you know, it's, and there's a million people trying to create up, you know, you know, early detection.

 

00:25:13:21 - 00:25:46:09

Unknown

Do you fall that, you know, okay. It's funny that that that came up because we had this conversation last week on our call, you know, our group, great. It's early detection, right? There's flags now. Just let's watch. Let's pay attention. You know, let's do a couple little difference being because. Let's use will some reading. You know, you know, somebody falls in the i-ready, you know, you know, at five years old and they're not bringing in Wilson reading tutor.

 

00:25:46:11 - 00:26:09:05

Unknown

They're not paying the 70 grand. So what are you what what does this actually mean? Right. That would be my answer. That. Yeah. Okay. What flags. What are you doing? You're not paying. Oh, you know, Johnny and Susie and, you know, Will selling it. And, you know, on the spectrum of the i-ready tests, now we're going to go and hire.

 

00:26:09:10 - 00:26:31:20

Unknown

They're not going to do that. Right. So what are they actually going to what does that what does that actually mean? And listen, I think there are some districts out there like I have heard of some public schools that are definitely more equipped and have more understanding with the whole dyslexia. There's ones that have zero, right. So this could be that it's like, okay, we have we have the funds.

 

00:26:31:20 - 00:26:49:12

Unknown

We know it's like we see it in our community and we want to be the ones that. And so, you know, who knows. But right. It is it's a sensitive thing because again, I don't know the families so I don't know the family are in education. And so they're not thrilled because and I, I don't know the reason.

 

00:26:49:12 - 00:27:12:07

Unknown

So I was like, oh, let's get into the conversation with this. Because what are the pros and cons of that? We talk about the early assessments and like you know, but right, if the kids getting pulled out and then being like separated from the rest of the peers and all of these different things that could be hurting like the self-esteem, like that's what you want to hold on to, right?

 

00:27:12:07 - 00:27:39:02

Unknown

And that's the me go back to Lyla, your soul, the district we're in, brought the IEP, right. And Lila's, you know. Oh, this is the first kid in 25 years that, has got, the scrappier or really. Right. All right, like, obviously we're going back, you know, it's 18, 17, 16 years now, but we end up doing Wilson reading.

 

00:27:39:02 - 00:27:59:09

Unknown

So they they did bring in a Wilson. I don't know if she was a part of the district already. And was helping students in different, in different, schools. But she did get Wilson and we had to do it. We went and did it before, before school, and three, three times a week. She hated it.

 

00:27:59:12 - 00:28:24:02

Unknown

She's miserable. Yeah, obviously it was torture to her young child abuse the whole night. And, you know, obviously it's got her where she is today. But they did did the resources. So I don't know if the they had bad teacher already in, Petri miss Petri peach tree. I think her name was. So it was Wilson certified.

 

00:28:24:02 - 00:28:53:00

Unknown

So I don't know if she was already in the district or, or, but, you know, so that falls into that class. But very few. Yeah, we were lucky, but very few districts have, teacher that's going to cost, right? $60,000, for example. I don't know. Right. Yeah. So and so and then that's like, brings us to Montgomery School where they had Wilson trained.

 

00:28:53:01 - 00:29:26:15

Unknown

They weren't Wilson certified. They were Wilson trained and they worked. They had an OT we it was a very wealthy district. So they had the OT, they had the Wilson, they had everything that they had, the special ed teacher and then the reading teacher, the reading specialist. So we the kid was pulled out so much for all of this stuff and then, you know, was missing some of the I mean, one of the things that he was missing, he was like, mommy during like when they do the right, like when they sit on the carpet and they read that was that.

 

00:29:26:18 - 00:29:45:00

Unknown

He loved to be read, read to. That was his favorite thing. He loved to be read to it. You could have read to that kid for hours. I mean, I could literally sit there and read to him for hours. He'd put his little fingers in his mouth and he would just listen. He loved stories, and that was when they were pulling him out and I was like, okay, we need to figure this out.

 

00:29:45:00 - 00:30:02:09

Unknown

That's like the part that he loves the most. And I think it's just because his brain could settle. And he was so good at the auditory, right, so he could listen, understand the story. And then that took him for far time. But that Wilson trained teacher fucking shocked. I mean, first of all, she made fun of his handwriting at like a first rate.

 

00:30:02:09 - 00:30:24:20

Unknown

I'm sure you know why wasn't certified if you've got that money, but because. So that's the whole thing that we would argue. There's so many teachers that are cert that are not certified. They're trained. Now, my mom used to say all the time, Wilson reading, is the class retarded expensive? You know my feeling? Wilson. Absolutely. It's it is insane.

 

00:30:24:22 - 00:30:46:17

Unknown

Is I want to say it was 15 to $20,000. Yeah. It's so insane. So they had teachers that were. But they were all just trained. And this was a young girl. And my mom said that was the first question she said to ask. So anyone's listening. If you do have supplementary people in your school, you have to ask, are they certified or trained?

 

00:30:46:17 - 00:31:12:01

Unknown

And then when I asked that, I remember the principal being like, well, she's trained, but she is very solidly trained. And my mom said, listen, Juliet, that like she's like, my mom was trained. So my mom was trained, not certified, but my mom was a really good teacher and very innately knew what to do. She's like, if it's a young teachers, my mom's like, listen, I don't want to be the, you know, kind of the poo poo person.

 

00:31:12:03 - 00:31:28:09

Unknown

But I have big hesitations on this. And I was like, Ma, just let the school let them do that. And she's like, and you know, she's in the school. And we came from where she taught a very wealthy district that had a very similar profile. She's like, if she's trained there, I would have a big problem with that.

 

00:31:28:10 - 00:32:04:04

Unknown

Well, let's break this. We did, you know, obviously an older teacher. However, she I think, what is it 85% of teachers are women. If you've been around the block. And you're teaching Wilson and you've taught 150 dyslexics, right. You've seen a 150 different things. Now if you're a younger teacher, and you've only been with ten dyslexic for, you know, obviously there's just no reference numbers in this conversation.

 

00:32:04:06 - 00:32:30:03

Unknown

That's a big difference, right? You're not able to. Manipulate you're not able to see the nuances. You're not able to critique because it's not by the book. Each one of us isn't by the book. You're going to have that and do ebbs and flows and and insert certain things in certain things and take out and do these kind of things.

 

00:32:30:05 - 00:32:55:06

Unknown

If you don't have that experience. And I think that's where there's a certified right teacher, right, and trained, you know, teacher, it's just the same thing is diagnosed and identified. It's very, very important. You need to ask if the reading specialist is trained or certified and, you know, reading specialist goes to college to get a certain, you know, to get a degree.

 

00:32:55:08 - 00:33:15:00

Unknown

But then there's all the different reading supplements that they can do. So a reading specialist, there's so many levels and some I've had, you know, people be like, oh, well, I have a friend that's a reading specialist, and this is what she's suggesting. And I'm like, yeah, I would not go with that suggestion. No disrespect, but I know that they're reading right out of the fucking book, right?

 

00:33:15:02 - 00:33:37:22

Unknown

We've no disrespect. We are all kinds of disrespect. Yeah. I mean, that's like, you know, again, a doctor that's never had we talk about a therapist that's never had they they're learning out of a book. And there's things that you can learn out of a book 100%. But life experience and experience will trump a book. You know what you learned out of a book a million fucking times.

 

00:33:38:00 - 00:33:53:20

Unknown

So that is one of the things that's really, really important. And this is so that that to my mom's effect, like, you could have someone that's trained and you're just lucky that they're just a really innately good teacher, and you could be fine. So that's like someone might be listening. I want to know my person was trained and they're great.

 

00:33:54:02 - 00:34:15:01

Unknown

That means they're innately a good teacher. For the majority of it. It's the if it's just trained and they're young. No offense, but it's it is not unless they have this innate gift because, you know, an animal. Along with that, I won't even say that if they're young and oh, they were good. You got lucky. Yeah. That's it.

 

00:34:15:01 - 00:34:36:07

Unknown

You got lucky because you know, dyslexics are different. Each one is different. Right? So and you're not dyslexic, so you're all kind of yours. There aren't. No. Every dyslexic is different. We operate different. So you want to train? This is. Are you? When I say every day you want to train. It's sucks to read, but you're not dyslexic.

 

00:34:36:07 - 00:35:02:06

Unknown

You don't have the understanding. So just take it as closer get you understand? And you've got to be doing it for 20 or 30 years. If you're going not there there's no distract. Your brain's not wired the way ours is. So you got lucky that you got a good one. Yeah. And you got lucky that how she taught was exactly how your kid needed it.

 

00:35:02:08 - 00:35:24:03

Unknown

Yeah. Because Montgomery Wilson was shit for Montgomery. Right? So it's. You know, it was lucky, right? So it's our y'all, you know, our Nate again. They don't you guys don't under understand us. And you got to be in it for 20, 30 years to build to have full understanding. And you will never ever ever have full understanding.

 

00:35:24:05 - 00:35:46:11

Unknown

You'll have a little bit back. Keep came out. She agrees with you. Right. She, it's time to go out. No, she said, looking at the window, staring out to the squirrels and thinking, they're my friends. Because it's time. It's time of great time. And you know, she had to go out there and they messed with her the other day.

 

00:35:46:13 - 00:36:06:18

Unknown

She came around round the corner and the squirrel was almost had the nose to nose in the window on the other side, I was taunting, hey, asshole, I'm over here, you can't get me. And then we go out there and I'll run and try to catch it. Did I ever tell you that, Herbie? Did you? Did I tell you Herbie caught a squirrel when he was, like, nine months old in our yard?

 

00:36:06:21 - 00:36:25:22

Unknown

That's good. It's impressive. I and I didn't see the catch, but I caught. I walked outside and I was like, screamed. It was so fucking gross. It was so gross. But Doyle, who was our first male, he. I was like, he orchestrated that whole thing because for his entire life when we lived in Connecticut, we lived on a hill.

 

00:36:26:00 - 00:36:48:14

Unknown

There was chipmunks and squirrels everywhere, all. And they we had tons of property. So there was always looking for, you know, like the bare acorns and all of that. So yeah, Herbie got it just, Yeah. And he was like, playing with it and I. And you guys take it in and have squirrels too. I did not, I've had squirrels do before.

 

00:36:48:16 - 00:37:06:18

Unknown

Rico. Yeah. I did not mean to have squirrels do that was, first boyfriend, cooked us as a family. And I think I've talked about that already. Squirrels. So. And then after we were all eating really does. Not bad. He's like that squirrel. You could say go by that. Everyone was like, what the fuck? That's so fucked up.

 

00:37:06:18 - 00:37:25:20

Unknown

He thought it was hilarious. My mom, my siblings, all of us. Yeah. All right. Well, on that note, thanks for listening to another episode of word Blindness. Dyslexia exposed. You know what to do, like rate, review and share. Oh, we. Next time we got to read some of the the reviews, I got to remember that I got to put that in my counter.