Your Next Stop Live with Bona RaiDec 15, 2022
Listen to a new episode of Your Next Stop Live recorded live on Fireside, featuring guest Bona Rai. Bona is the Co-Founder and COO of Capsho, the fastest way to market and grow your podcast. A lifelong learner and Jill of many trades, she found herself unexpectedly divorced at 27 and used it as a catalyst to reinvent her life, leaving behind her corporate career and traditional life path to pursue entrepreneurship across Fashion, Logistics, Coaching and finally AI Technology application. Bona is an Australian transplant currently living in New York City.
In this episode, you will learn the following:
- How Bona's life changed when she got divorced
- How she coped with the emotional upheaval of divorce
- How her career pivoted after her divorce
“My brother actually talked to me about this where he said it was probably completely unfair, but the way that it kind of happened, you were always the glue. And the good thing about good glue, if you know anything about glue, is that it's invisible. It's extremely strong, but it's invisible.”
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Juliet Hahn 00:03:42
Everyone. Welcome to another your next stop
live here with Juliet Han, and I am so excited for this because
not only is this a great story, but I also use
this new technology that wonderful
Papa from Cap show has created. How are you?
Bona Rai 00:04:01
Hi, Juliet. I'm good. I'm
excited to be here. It's my first time on fireside.
Juliet Hahn 00:04:07
I know. And I love that I am introducing user Fireside too. This is, you know,
as you know, this is one of my favorite. Oh,
Oh so sorry. I my my simulcast cast popped up and and started yelling.
It's one of my favorite platforms to do these live shows
especially because we're gonna really be talking about your story, and we all know that story
connect us, but also, what cap is all about because it's fascinating
and I actually got to meet you and and your founder degree
Bona Rai 00:04:40
Juliet Hahn 00:04:38
it at podcast, where, which was... Which was really fun.
Bona Rai 00:04:43
Juliet Hahn 00:04:43
So I wanna welcome everyone whether you guys are
live on linkedin. And I see a bunch of people over there right now.
If you are on Youtube, if you're here listening live or you're the replay,
welcome Welcome. And what I want you to do right now,
and everyone can do this kind of at the same time. They're if you're in the studio,
the two little lines on the bottom left
it says broadcast to the world or share with followers
really fun to be able to get this story out because we are doing
some really fun things here. We're gonna be really talking about
deranged and bonus story. If you guys also didn't catch that, we have that
your next stop
Bona Rai 00:05:22
Juliet Hahn 00:05:21
bonus Bonus. Sorry. Said wrong again.
We talked about my my dyslexia here. I'm doing three things at once and so that happens.
But so we're we were talking about stories, And do has been on your next
stop who's bonus founder. And so you can hear the story. I was fascinating.
Fast meaning. Just that the the
where the pivots and turns and all the places that you guys and then how you guys connected. So
Bona Rai 00:05:48
Let's do it.
Juliet Hahn 00:05:47
I wanna jump right into this. If you
Yes. Please introduce yourself and give us a little background. You know where you grew up?
Kind of what drove you as a kid, what you studied in school like
your favorites worth if You can kinda give us all that. That would be awesome.
Bona Rai 00:06:02
Yeah. Absolutely. Gosh, there's so much to that. But my name is. I'm
wanna. I am. My joy said one of the founders of
have show this three of us, Did you being one of them, one of the other founders and ash
other ash. In terms of my entrepreneurship Journey,
sweet. And he really excited about
five years ago, which is when I first met Dj, and we'll definitely get into that into a lot more detail.
But a little bit more about me, I actually was born in the pile. So i actually grew up in
across three different countries Opal India, and Australia,
as a kid spent most of my life in Australia, hence the accent.
And now I live in New York City, and Going up actually
it was really weird. I wanted to be a news anchor, which is the most random theme, but I just
fascinated with language. I really wanted to get very good of English.
It was an aspiration expiration, but I had and I but we thought that was gonna be the thing that I really would get to practice
practice it in a very, you know, visible way.
I used to watch the nightly and really watched the anchor doing it. And
and would practice in front of the mirror, but that really didn't...
really eventually that. Oh, actually, I don't really enjoy being on video. Times out
I actually when it ended up going into accounting and
banking and financial services. So
very, very different and random. And did that for a good
eight and a half years before I went into entrepreneurship. So
that was the probably the biggest pivot in my life when I was... When I turned
Twenty seven big personal change happened, and that with that brought a lot of
turmoil and decisions that I had to make, which ended up being the best that's of happened to me, sir.
Juliet Hahn 00:07:33
Bona Rai 00:07:35
That's me in a nutshell.
Juliet Hahn 00:07:36
which I love it. I know. And I know you said that you you went through a divorce, and I'm gonna touch on it because I know it's
Bona Rai 00:07:42
Juliet Hahn 00:07:41
in your buyer and so people are gonna read that. But as, you know, young,
getting divorced, that had to be tough. Right? There was something
and and then we didn't get into a lot of stuff but I know.
Bona Rai 00:07:54
Juliet Hahn 00:07:53
From everyone that I've interviewed, All people all walks a life
cultures. There's a perfectionist, and I don't like to say
Bona Rai 00:08:04
Juliet Hahn 00:08:02
but there is something that, you know, this is what's expected of you.
Here's how, you know, the lines that you need to follow and
Bona Rai 00:08:11
Juliet Hahn 00:08:10
I'm not saying that that's when your life was. But, you know, I'm I'm just curious
how how did that kinda play out? And where did that leave you mindset wise?
Bona Rai 00:08:17
Yeah. And they absolutely write juliet yet. Like you say, everyone's
story very personal, but I think there are definitely some themes, some cultural themes,
and maybe not even just part of the Ethnic culture you're you've you're from and you identify with, but even just
culturally in terms of, you know, what we're told, especially as young girls and as women
and, especially, I think as young girls who may have been
sort of told that bear
may, like... You know, what being good girl looks like and what being
I was quite for cautious of the tiles. So I just always wanted to be good.
Juliet Hahn 00:08:50
Bona Rai 00:08:50
And, you know, please whoever it was whether it was my parents, my teachers,
So I think that's definitely led me down a path of wanting to do what
was the white thing and the problem with that, And that's a great thing, but the
problem with it is because it's a very
it really just then gets driven by who's around you what they define to be the
a good thing, the right thing, and you never really exercise
Juliet Hahn 00:09:14
Bona Rai 00:09:12
a muscle to figure out well what's the right thing for you. So that's something that, you know, is just
never really exercise, I guess, in that sense so you don't really get exposed
sort of thing. So for me, personally being divorce at twenty seven, i was definitely not the first
person to ever a go through that. And definitely won't be the last. But for me, it was a huge
shock to the system emotionally, because I just had my
I was one of those people that always had my life planned out and mapped out, Had the one year plan in the five year
in the ten year plan, and I would reach these goals, and I would
it would just be a rolling thing, and this was not part of the plan I didn't have a plan
And it really just... Yes, me it really
was a bit of a ground zero moment where I didn't at all of my features
plans and who I was going to become the next year in the year after.
Was based off of that. So it really was very
for me personally, my family are super traditional in that sense.
But they had just gotten news to me being that way, and it was the first ever they were, like,
gosh. We don't really know how to help But tell us what you need what you need us to do
Juliet Hahn 00:10:12
Bona Rai 00:10:13
So as a family, think have a very bonding experience as well.
Juliet Hahn 00:10:14
Right. Now do you have siblings?
Bona Rai 00:10:16
I do. I
an older brother who could not be more opposite to me.
This trying hobby republican it, but I do yes.
Juliet Hahn 00:10:25
Okay. And if I remember, does she has an older brother as well?
Bona Rai 00:10:30
She does. She does. Yes.
Juliet Hahn 00:10:30
Right. Right. So... And I do... You know, I mean, I think as you said, everyone's
story is personal. And and stories really do connect us, we could live in the same area.
But we have one new thing that's different or one thing that's the same and it connects us in a different way.
You know, my listeners know that I'm just relaxing. So
Bona Rai 00:10:49
You're doing say well, by the way.
Juliet Hahn 00:10:47
names always a challenge. But I make a joke.
Thank you. But you, well, I haven't it written down. I keep looking every time. I go to say it.
But... But it's... I mean, it it's it is it's a comical thing and it as
being in this
position than A in. You know, I am a podcast store. I meet a lot of different people
Bona Rai 00:11:03
Juliet Hahn 00:11:04
I need to be able to pronounce our names. But instead of letting myself get
jammed up and nervous. And I'm like, oh my god. I'm so sorry.
Bona Rai 00:11:11
Juliet Hahn 00:11:11
I make a joke about it. Right? It's like I'm not doing it on purpose. It's not because I don't respect you. It's because
Bona Rai 00:11:16
Juliet Hahn 00:11:16
my brain doesn't work the same way, and I have to really work at saying people's names or saying
Bona Rai 00:11:19
Juliet Hahn 00:11:20
certain words, You know, certain words. It's really it's just... It's the whole letters and it's dyslexia.
But you said something that's really, you know, important
you know, your brother's you know, opposite. And I think growing up in families, when you have siblings,
everyone kinda has there. This is what your role is. This
Bona Rai 00:11:39
Juliet Hahn 00:11:39
is what you are. This is you are. I was always the funny one. Right? I always need people laugh and
Bona Rai 00:11:43
Juliet Hahn 00:11:43
and I remember going to a family reunion and
Bona Rai 00:11:48
Juliet Hahn 00:11:46
it was probably this was a little personal, but it was right around the time I got my period.
And one of my uncles. I was like, oh, come on. Do something funny. You could do it And I was like,
twelve awkward, you know, just got my period and
I remember being, like,
don't have anything funny, and he was like, what do you mean and it just was
I just remember that being a very defining and awkward moment
Bona Rai 00:12:05
Juliet Hahn 00:12:07
for me because it was like, I don't feel like I was the Goofy kid.
Bona Rai 00:12:09
Juliet Hahn 00:12:11
Right? I did goofy things, and I was now coming into this
Bona Rai 00:12:16
Juliet Hahn 00:12:15
new body, this new woman, this new person, and I remember
feeling really awkward.
Bona Rai 00:12:22
Juliet Hahn 00:12:22
Like, I don't know where my places is and my family reunion because, yes, I was always the one
Bona Rai 00:12:27
Juliet Hahn 00:12:27
made everyone laugh. I always broke the tension. I always made things fun.
Bona Rai 00:12:31
Juliet Hahn 00:12:31
And I always did silly and goofy things because I didn't think I was kind of a spa kid.
I mean, to be honest,
Bona Rai 00:12:41
Juliet Hahn 00:12:38
was like, Julia, I go make his laugh, and I would do something silly.
And so it is true. Now you're in this new
where you're newly finding, you know, you you found love or whatever it was. And then
it didn't work out. And so it's like, okay.
You were this person in the family all the time. How do we now
Bona Rai 00:13:00
Juliet Hahn 00:12:57
find and help you because clearly, you had, you know, a family that supported you
So how did that if you can just take us through that journey a little bit,
Bona Rai 00:13:04
Yeah. My brother actually talked to me about this where
who said, you know, we're probably completely unfair, but you the way that it was... It
kind of happened You were always the glue, and the good thing about good glue if you know any
my glue is that it's invisible. It's extremely strong, but it's invisible and
it was the first time. I mean, you're very close. So it never like how was invisible
him technically speaking, but it was the first time that, you know,
he realized how much of the glue I was even though he already
always be granted because it was no longer working.
Juliet Hahn 00:13:39
Bona Rai 00:13:38
You know? And and what because, you know, my brother and my dad,
at the time had quite a fractured relationship. My parents were going through
so an interesting phase in their marriage, my mom and my brother, that, you know, he's
he was being bit inconsistent with her. So there's all of these things that I would normally probably just
oh, I would just naturally
get the family together and do the things that would help them work on these things.
But I... My last just came to a halt julia. I don't know how else to say it when
it... For me, we were i... I was having issues in the marriage, and I was... It was never
to me that we would get to divorced, was is another thing that we would actually work through.
And when my ex husband
he came back from the trip and he said I I cannot do this anymore.
The night before we're went went to go in a trip with friends,
I went through the whole trip just kinda of pretending that he was
unwell, or oh jet lag, you know? And everyone was like oh blah blah
about him, and it was just really... But I just went to complete the association mode.
Juliet Hahn 00:14:35
Bona Rai 00:14:37
Like a week to figure it out. And so then my... Then when I finally told my
family and my parents,
immediately at the time my response was, oh, okay. And this is
kind what we're gonna do to. Do you guys have any questions? Are you gonna be okay?
And by the way, for my, you know, ex mother and law, like, this this is sort of all of her,
like her medical stuff that needs to get handed over. Like I just went into that mode.
If you remember being taken sign and saying like,
Juliet Hahn 00:15:04
Bona Rai 00:15:02
you don't have to do that. You can just
whatever you need right now. Don't forget about all of those. And my my ex husband been moved out. I was like
if you have towels and you have that, like,
it was just... But for me, it it sounds like I'm I'm a nice
person and I am and I'm a caring person, but that was more just
maybe being in denial i'm actually just
looking to not deal with the emotions of what was happening.
Juliet Hahn 00:15:23
Bona Rai 00:15:25
So once I've got through that coping mechanism, it hit me
And, yeah, my life just completely stopped
I went into to I still wanted to work I've just out of a new role, which is so convenient.
But lucky for me, my manager at the time, she had also been through a divorce
she put me aside, and she said,
they're gonna be dead, but you're just so so okay and you're like, oh, my life is fine. I'm fine.
And work is a really helpful distraction, and this gonna be some days we go to the bathroom room and you realize
you can't go back out there.
You just wanna just cool into a hole and die.
That's okay. So always take your friend with you wherever you're going and just text
me, and I will make sure. And I was just like,
Juliet Hahn 00:16:03
Bona Rai 00:16:04
that was what I needed.
Right. It's amazing. She's one of my angels from the time. I mean,
but no one had said that like, someone had been through the process
anticipating something that might happen to me
and once that I let myself,
feel that, and I'll let myself
that other people help me
of course, I just went can completely, eventually.
Juliet Hahn 00:16:24
Bona Rai 00:16:26
And for the first time in my life, my life was a mess. I didn't know what I was doing.
It was just and for someone who who's always known what not just what I'm doing, but when everyone
around me, whether it's my team, whether it's my
husband at the time where there is my family
I be planning for them and being there for them.
It was it just felt like
I just felt like a complete failure, basically, Not just because I was a need see, but because I to your
point I didn't know what my role was anymore in my life, and I did not want to
Juliet Hahn 00:16:55
Bona Rai 00:16:53
think about what the new one could be. I was not excited about it. I have to say i have to be completely honest.
Juliet Hahn 00:16:58
No. And I appreciate. And the reason Why I'm bringing this up, you know, again,
stories connect us, But the reason I'm bringing it up is because
it's important for people to hear people who were listening to this might be
Bona Rai 00:17:10
Juliet Hahn 00:17:08
in the spot where they might be getting a divorce and they're, like,
Okay. That was so helpful that I just heard from Ghana that she said,
I had a mentor
and or they might have someone in their office that they know is going through and they don't know what to say, and that was
Bona Rai 00:17:19
Juliet Hahn 00:17:23
so, like, that was an angel that was brought to you, and it's so important because
the tough times, whether it's, you know, divorced death, whatever it is,
the tragedy at the time feels like that's
Bona Rai 00:17:34
Juliet Hahn 00:17:35
all there is, and you don't feel like you have anything else.
Bona Rai 00:17:37
Juliet Hahn 00:17:38
That is in your world. And when you come out of it, I'm sure it's like, okay. That was an
Bona Rai 00:17:41
Juliet Hahn 00:17:44
Not a great serum. So i didn't love that, but it doesn't define who I am.
Bona Rai 00:17:46
Totally. Yes. Absolutely me.
Juliet Hahn 00:17:47
And I think that... Right? And I think that's so important, and I love that you had that
Bona Rai 00:17:53
Juliet Hahn 00:17:53
that mentor. So
you with this company
you have that, and then where did... You know, your life kinda of pivot. And were you in... You were in Australia at the time.
Bona Rai 00:17:59
Yes. I wasn't sydney me. I was working
Corey Bank, which is one of the investment banks
it was a very demanding role. So I had taken on... I said yes to the role.
Just before actually my divorce. So I would
Juliet Hahn 00:18:15
Bona Rai 00:18:13
got divorced in in February. I taken it on the role in January.
And finally enough, one of the decisions that I've going into that role was to say,
hey. Do you think we still like my husband and I were like, do you think we wanna set a family now? Or
get through this next stage in My career and then we decided and he was like, I take now.
Juliet Hahn 00:18:33
Bona Rai 00:18:29
Let's do that. So, lucky, because I think kids just making things so much
for me and it would have been an absolutely logistical nightmare. But, yeah. So that... So I was with this
company and that
first here. I basically just said, Okay. Let me just
get through this year. What was a really great. Like I said,
attraction. I met new people Are connected with with humans in this way. Again, I think one of the things That can use
I've always mean very... I love... I've always loved people and being open and all of that.
But this was really, I think, when this happened, it opened me up and a completely
way because I think for the first time in my life, a lot of people that
hadn't seen the super vulnerable doesn't know what she's doing side of me.
Sorry for the first time. So that was old friends and new and family.
Juliet Hahn 00:19:11
Bona Rai 00:19:09
So it really just softened me up a little bit and opens me up. So from a work,
perspective I was really able to do really great relationships
I don't think otherwise, I would hurt because I would have been so focused on achieving and performing that I don't think
would have made time for these kinds of relationships. And that's
first year at work, was really be just about getting through it. And at the end of that year,
I was lucky enough that the role that I was doing
ended as I'm getting some, I guess, attention from a more strategic part of the bank
and they decided that it was all gonna come come together into all the different parts of what we were doing was
coming to one major strategic initiative, and I was gonna be joining a New team in the following year.
And that to me has always been a big point in my corporate career because
I was super excited, of course. But
also it meant that that was recommended remembered my, and we became very, very fast
friends. And really, that was, I think a turning moment for me
of starting to think about
not just secure that potentially entrepreneurship. I've never
identify. As an entrepreneur never one of those people that would like I can't wait to not work for anyone ever again.
All of that, so meeting At the start of twenty sixteen was really the
out of That for. So that was a huge pivotal moment.
And then, yeah, we we really kind of
gotten very close very soon, and then we were launching businesses together, very, very
soon off the bat.
Juliet Hahn 00:20:31
Right? Which is... Which is so exciting. And that's what you know... And i that's why I love stories. I love
the connections that you make with just
opening up. And as you said, you may be one have opened up
Bona Rai 00:20:45
Juliet Hahn 00:20:43
in this role to let someone else in. Right? You wouldn't... And so you maybe never would have met.
Degree because you had this, like goal of
Bona Rai 00:20:53
Juliet Hahn 00:20:52
you know, climbing the ladder and that's where, you know, of course,
getting divorced is terrible and it's tragic and it sucks
Bona Rai 00:20:58
Juliet Hahn 00:20:58
and it's not like, oh, god wanted that to happen into you. You know,
when when you were born and he's like, oh, she's gonna get divorced. You know? They... I don't I don't believe that deeply in that
Bona Rai 00:21:03
Yeah. She's so one yeah.
Juliet Hahn 00:21:06
Right she's the girl. She's gonna do it. Totally,
but there is a part of our journey and the universe
when things start coming together, that then other things happen
Bona Rai 00:21:21
Juliet Hahn 00:21:19
when things happen, it's the experience that of those. I truly believe not everyone believes us but the
audiences out of sometimes trauma and tragic that
when you allow yourself to open up and talk to people and get to know people and
let your brain wander in a different way. Okay. I never thought my life was gonna be this
Bona Rai 00:21:34
Juliet Hahn 00:21:36
way. What did I picture my life to be? And then when you start having those
wonderful thoughts of, like, the day dreams of oh,
Bona Rai 00:21:43
Juliet Hahn 00:21:43
then that's when sometimes magic happens. And that's like, you know, what I talk about a
lot on this podcast because I feel like there's so many times. I mean, especially, you know, I lived in New York
Bona Rai 00:21:53
Juliet Hahn 00:21:52
i was in that whole corporate world loved it. I mean, I love New York Still live in New York, but I'm not in the city.
My husband still from the city. He's in the city a couple days a week, and
when you're in that,
that just that energy
Bona Rai 00:22:06
Juliet Hahn 00:22:04
and that just... It's exciting. But sometimes when you're in that energy too,
Bona Rai 00:22:07
Juliet Hahn 00:22:08
you're you're one sided. Right? So Sydney, and I'm not I'm talking about, like, really just any city.
Bona Rai 00:22:11
Juliet Hahn 00:22:13
Like, you know, Sydney two, you're like, okay, This is my my my goal, my dream.
Bona Rai 00:22:18
Juliet Hahn 00:22:18
And then when things kinda go left and right,
it's like, wait a second.
Bona Rai 00:22:19
Juliet Hahn 00:22:22
Is that really really what's happening? And then it's kind of just like that's
in my... But, you know, that's when the magic sometimes happens.
Bona Rai 00:22:29
Hundred percent. I mean, I think when you're going, I think it's also very important.
As someone who intellectually motion and just says, you know,
tells much myself certain and things to get over stuff. It's very important to feel
especially all those negative feelings in the moment and not
try to skip ahead to feeling like, oh, yeah. This is gonna have some meaning. I bet I used to
Juliet Hahn 00:22:50
Bona Rai 00:22:48
That was a creepy mechanism for me said this really taught me to feel
especially the negative feelings, the feelings of loss. Because the reason you wanna do that, whether it's
of divorce any any kind of loss really is because
it makes you understand what you're actually attached to, so for me,
to your point, obviously, losing a relationship is really hot and I've being with this
since I was nineteen. So it wasn't an easy relationship like like go on
Juliet Hahn 00:23:10
Bona Rai 00:23:11
and losing the person from your life.
Really the the hot also came from all of
grieving is one about greeting dreams that you
had and maybe you never even told anyone else about. And you you attach
your identity and. So personally, that you're actually greeting a part of you
and not just the person you've lost and whether that's through death or three breakup,
or separation of some sort, and I think that was really important
- I was truly that person. I literally had a white picker sense. I'm not even doing.
Juliet Hahn 00:23:39
Bona Rai 00:23:39
Drinking. You know, we had, like, and all of that
planned out. And for me, I think really that was important to go through, but
to your point once the way out is through,
And once you go through it, it really just does
completely transform you to be able to receive more.
And sometimes that more feels bad because it's different to what you thought. You wanted.
Juliet Hahn 00:24:00
Bona Rai 00:24:01
But it's actually truly what you need, and then you start to receive that, and it's
the best thing that's ever happened. So I do maintain that my divorce is the best that's sort of
at the time, it did not. It was definitely the worst
Juliet Hahn 00:24:15
Bona Rai 00:24:15
I'm just a grateful to My husband because I don't think I would have been the person to walk away. I'm glad he had the courage
to do it.
I say courage because he said to me,
that he did it or could mean in the car because if he waited till we got home,
said, I would have seen that damn guest bedroom that you put together, and it would ob be
hat, and I will see our life together and it would be too hard, and i wouldn't not been able to do it.
Juliet Hahn 00:24:35
Bona Rai 00:24:35
And I thought
Wow. It isn't that safer profound? Like, how many of us just
live lives that we're not necessarily happy about because of comfort.
Juliet Hahn 00:24:40
Bona Rai 00:24:42
Know? So I'm very grateful to him that he
or did it in the car? Just to get it out so that he didn't
Juliet Hahn 00:24:45
Right. Because it is
Bona Rai 00:24:48
talk himself into spain, So I think it's really important today that.
Juliet Hahn 00:24:52
I think it's so important. And I think it's such a part of you as you said, you wouldn't maybe have the
Bona Rai 00:25:00
Juliet Hahn 00:24:57
courage to do it because this is like, okay. This is what I was supposed to be doing.
This is what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm married. I'm supposed to be happy. I'm supposed to make it work.
Right? There's times. And I think a lot of times in now, you go through the the ups and downs.
Bona Rai 00:25:09
Juliet Hahn 00:25:09
Right. You have the honeymoon thing. You're you're oh, you're on cloud nine.
Bona Rai 00:25:14
Juliet Hahn 00:25:12
Then you you... Whatever journey it takes, It's worth.
It is work. Some, you know, I think some people's relationships are more work than others.
But I also think that
it it it can be scary. Even like, okay, this is not working.
But I don't know what else is out there from
Bona Rai 00:25:30
Juliet Hahn 00:25:29
because I didn't dream about that because I've dreamed about this. So I love that he said
I mean, in in such a strange way, like, if I saw that guest bedroom,
Bona Rai 00:25:41
Juliet Hahn 00:25:37
I will lost my nerve because he didn't wanna hurt you because he cared about you as a person.
He just knew that your relationship wasn't... That they do you both
Bona Rai 00:25:48
Juliet Hahn 00:25:46
needed... Like, there was something more out there for you. And so that does take
courage, and I love that you recognize that because there's a lot... You know, a lot of people that don't that go through
divorce and and and if not,
you know, in the way that you guys went through it,
Bona Rai 00:25:55
Definitely. I think I had to
relatively positive experience.
Juliet Hahn 00:26:01
Well, I know that Dj In the
Bona Rai 00:26:09
Juliet Hahn 00:26:07
she's in the audience, but we're not gonna pull her up yet because we're gonna continue this a little bit, but I also wanna
Bona Rai 00:26:10
Juliet Hahn 00:26:11
send people to episode, you're an next stop on any of the podcast players
to episode one hundred sixty one, because that... Yeah,
Bona Rai 00:26:19
Oh she could do it. Yes.
Juliet Hahn 00:26:19
I love that. You got the clap in there. It's so fun. Yeah.
Because it was a really fun
I mean, journey, also of how Dj got into
Bona Rai 00:26:28
Juliet Hahn 00:26:29
the entrepreneurial world as well, Like, fascinating. I remember just having, like,
you know, my mouth kinda be like, great. This is so interesting. And when I met you guys at pod,
you know, we're gonna get into Cap show. And you guys, that is in the scroll right now.
Cap show is the... It it is
I mean, incredible, And we're gonna have these ladies really explain it because I don't wanna explain it.
Half and then not explain it completely, but it is basically
it has changed the way I do my show notes and do a lot of different things.
For my podcast. Let's just say that. And so it is it's really helpful, and I've
had so many people but, like, computers did you get that title? And I'm like,
cap show. I don't even say per time like, oh, I can't over that because it's not
it's really. It's really clever. But so
I want to now get so you met
Dj, and then where did that take you?
Bona Rai 00:27:15
So, yeah, I think one of the first
conversations, and these you will be able to validate this for me. I think we in this the most
Juliet Hahn 00:27:22
Bona Rai 00:27:23
unfortunately, female of ways, I think you was we're talking about someone's much handbag or something and that's
how we started of the conversation. And I was just slow release because I've been in a team with
these two other guys, and Did was gonna be the other member of the team. I thought oh gosh.
Thanks for it and have to deal with these idiots over here.
And we really bonded very much You know, like you said, we were in a bubble
a semi Corporate bubble, financial service was banking bubble, and
things were things like promotions and all that was so important at the time, obviously, and
I just really found someone that I connected with. A just a very broad
statement, but it it can be hard in those environments to find
other women that you can
Juliet Hahn 00:28:01
Bona Rai 00:28:02
fully trust and, you know, there is that level of competition or
negative energy sometimes that for me, was quite refreshing.
To meet someone who, you know, a very similar age.
Seemingly, we have similar energies as well, but were different enough to really, I think,
Juliet Hahn 00:28:18
Bona Rai 00:28:18
you know, balance each other out. So that was
probably where the basis of our emotional friendships started. And, you know, at a time,
I was just feeling like, I was very engaging with what that we're doing know so we like my best
here in in in in a sort corporate land where I was really enjoying the work that were doing, but after
about. I we need to know what I wanted to do next. You know,
I'd never contemplated anything outside of just being good in my
corporate role. And I was just really thinking about
the next role to me in the bank, and and and I was using Dj as a as
sounding board to that.
Then we just completely had this one conversation that
then changed the thing for me where she came into work did to came into work.
We had a meeting, and she we were brainstorming something or another
and she was extremely frustrated because she like, ugh, I said
spent all of all night last night shopping on the iconic, which is kind of like a
Juliet Hahn 00:29:10
Bona Rai 00:29:09
I guess, over there, this purely online
after page after page, just kinda finds clothes. And I was like, why what were you doing? She's like, oh, well,
she does her clothing shopping quarterly, which to me is crazy.
She would buy her clothes in bulk like quarterly for the season.
And then she would do that all over again. And obviously because you're working in finance,
that we had, like, workloads and whatever, which now the scene like this
distant memory, and I hope that's
that's so interesting that people do that, but then she just hated the experience, but she needed them.
So we started talking because I
at the time. So I I I I used to style kinda dis satisfied
thing, but maybe just a volunteer we address the success. So we were started talking about
like, wonder how many people have this issue where they need the close they're not like,
super, like into like fashion in that sense and self expression, but they need I'm not gonna
them feel good and look good so that they can actually level up and
career and started brainstorming around that. And Indeed was exploring Ai at the time.
That isn't fascinating conversation disabled, But whatever person you go through in your brain with styling, like,
think we could like code that? And I was like
certify it, you know? And then we just had this really interesting conversation, which then led
working on the weekends because that we've got a very full daytime day.
On this idea,
Me before, there's something here in terms of creating a digital of
stylist for women, very naive because now we look back there was
so many of those already, but we just thought it was just the best idea.
Juliet Hahn 00:30:37
Bona Rai 00:30:37
And that's really but they you're not sort of working together, I guess, in bad capacity,
Juliet Hahn 00:30:42
You know? And I was... I literally just one of my clients that I had on earlier today.
We were talking about
I love. And I just got the chills the chills because I love when life
like, i... Life is crazy.
Bona Rai 00:30:56
Juliet Hahn 00:30:55
Right? It's good crazy. It's bad crazy. It's it's the energy of life. There's so much
to life. But and and one of the things that I just absolutely love and it makes me
so freaking happy is when, like, opportunities
come up. Right? Opportunities come up, and then you meet someone
Bona Rai 00:31:11
Juliet Hahn 00:31:11
that you can sit and have a conversation with and engaging with and come up with ideas
and then you see where those ideas bring you and and you know that you are meant
Bona Rai 00:31:18
Juliet Hahn 00:31:19
to meet that person because of that experience. Right? You're like, okay.
Wow. Now I remember why we first met. And I remember why we had this conversation
And I remember why we kinda and, like, when it all comes together, it's
Bona Rai 00:31:33
Juliet Hahn 00:31:32
so wild to me. Like, it really just excites me. As excites me so much because
there's so many of those opportunities that I've had in my life, especially, you know, now
Bona Rai 00:31:43
Juliet Hahn 00:31:42
and I've had them periods of periods of time, you know, like, in in different segments of my life,
But, especially with what I've created and what I've grown,
Bona Rai 00:31:49
Juliet Hahn 00:31:50
and just to look back and be, like, that's why I met that person. That's so interesting.
And I think about the people that don't have that.
Bona Rai 00:31:54
Juliet Hahn 00:31:57
And that actually really makes me sad. Like, it really makes me sad.
And that's one of the reasons why I do this podcast because I want people to start thinking, like,
Bona Rai 00:32:03
Juliet Hahn 00:32:06
you know what? They did it? What did they do different? I just used to walk my dogs and listen to pot like, podcast and books.
Daydream, like, oh, life is fine. You know, I I I had a good life, but I was, like, a little bored.
Bona Rai 00:32:14
Juliet Hahn 00:32:15
You know, I was like, can't... My husband won't have any... Doesn't wanna more kids. I can't get more dogs.
Oh, okay. Like, I am smart and talented. Like, what can I do? I don't wanna volunteer anymore in this
Bona Rai 00:32:22
Juliet Hahn 00:32:25
capacity and just let my brain kinda go
And then that's where the podcast came up and the podcast really
Bona Rai 00:32:32
Juliet Hahn 00:32:31
was a kind of a passion project. I had no idea that it was gonna really blow up
Bona Rai 00:32:35
Juliet Hahn 00:32:36
to be what it was, but it was because it was what I was meant to do.
And all the things in my life that kind of
put myself in the positions that it did. You know? Why I
changed my major communications.
You know, it's it's so interesting. And I just, again, I feel for the people
that are out there just go through life. They're not really
Bona Rai 00:32:55
Juliet Hahn 00:32:57
excited about anything. They don't have the ups. They don't have the downs because
you know as an entrepreneur, we have... I mean, some ops ups and then some of it, like
Bona Rai 00:33:06
Juliet Hahn 00:33:05
the next day you have the down is down, and you're like, oh, my god. So
Bona Rai 00:33:10
Juliet Hahn 00:33:08
exhausted. Like, yesterday was the best day, say the worst day.
I mean, not everyone's built like that, but people can kind
Bona Rai 00:33:16
Juliet Hahn 00:33:15
find that medium where they do get a little bit excited. It's not like
Bona Rai 00:33:19
Juliet Hahn 00:33:18
you wake up and are, like, I hate my job. I'm going my job. I hate my life. I hate my friends. I hate this.
And you can feel that when you meet people like that, you know, I don't feel like I meet that many people like that.
As much anymore. But when you interview people and talk to people all day,
long You do come across it, and it always just takes me back. And I think
Bona Rai 00:33:34
Juliet Hahn 00:33:37
That's sad. Just daydream.
Right. Fine that space.
Bona Rai 00:33:39
Yeah. And I think I think that's such an important point, Juliet because I mean, I met seventy people
podcast, but you meeting you, I remember that's still so clearly your
Juliet Hahn 00:33:50
Bona Rai 00:33:49
by far one of the wall other than that, and you're just so genuine.
Juliet Hahn 00:33:52
Bona Rai 00:33:52
Know, because we were at this part of pod, Do you wanna go to the
being. And I remember our conversation and it was so touching. So like i said you're born to do it.
But one thing that came to mind as he was saying that as well in my experience,
I think a lot of the time we have a sort of narratives of these, like meetings, like, with this obviously,
I really overweight, like romantic meetings or whatever way you unique the person that inner
Juliet Hahn 00:34:17
Bona Rai 00:34:15
and that's I'm not take anything away from that. But my story, I've
i speaking about Dj. So safe if I about Sam, who was my first manager of and I was getting
divorced. These are just women who
I wasn't open to them in that way, probably wouldn't been able to let them in
Juliet Hahn 00:34:31
Bona Rai 00:34:30
but they would be... They... They're like soul mate in in different ways. Right?
So just opening yourself up to beyond what you
ink is important. I think just
just being opened every single day that something magical could happen.
And it's magical in the in the smaller way. You know, you just meet someone that you're gonna connect
with, and you're gonna build something together whatever that looks
like, and not being, I think, and just writing it a narrative around that
the me entrepreneurship. Like I said, in my head, I always thought it was
for people who were driven us certain in way and
well, like ceo in that sense. You know, I'm just not that person. I
is just not... I mean, I'm very
direct and driven in my own way. But that's just just one mole.
Juliet Hahn 00:35:08
Bona Rai 00:35:09
You know, so if I hadn't
if I hadn't let, I guess, you know, meeting these and all about
opened me up to how because the black to someone like me.
I wouldn't be here. I would to speak on the park that I thought I was supposed to be on. So
just letting yourself entertain different ways of being is so important.
Because like you said, so many of us
I think you go through life very board and on board day to day, but not having
know fully reached out potential.
Juliet Hahn 00:35:34
Right. And I love how you said that and Again,
and... I mean, even even in in Dj episode, one
sixty... One hundred and sixty one If you guys wanna go check that out,
she was like, I wasn't built to be an. I never thought I'd be an entrepreneur either. I mean, and
again, these are all generalization and stereotypes. But, like, you know,
when you think of someone in finance,
you think of someone in the accounting, you think of someone an advertising you think of a writer you think
of a director. You think of an actor. You do have
things that you think of and again, everyone has their own story and they they're built different.
Bona Rai 00:36:05
Juliet Hahn 00:36:05
But you do kind of have that generalization. Right? I'm good or bad, good or bad.
Bona Rai 00:36:10
Juliet Hahn 00:36:10
You know, you think of the teacher you think of the librarian. Right? You you think of these different personalities.
But what you said, which is so important before we
pull up Deed Dry who's gonna go through cap show guys, by the way, this is gonna be so cool. But
the thing that is so important that people I think don't do is
Bona Rai 00:36:26
Juliet Hahn 00:36:27
allow themselves to open up to talk to everyone to ask questions and get to know people
you know, there's the people that are on the corporate ladder that they wanna you know, oh, I'm not talking to the guy that's
you know, taking the trash out because
Bona Rai 00:36:38
Juliet Hahn 00:36:39
what's he gonna give me? But that guy could teach you something. And that Guy actually
Bona Rai 00:36:44
Juliet Hahn 00:36:43
maybe it's choosing to do that because he just sold a billion dollar company
and it's like, I wanna do, you know, an experience. So, like, I talk
to everyone one. I mean, my kids are always like, oh.
And the husband too, sometimes will be like, oh, you're god.
Like, we anywhere we go, like, you know, at our post office
I know everyone story. I I talk to everyone. I know this person that loves the boxes who
there's days around like, I can't talk to you so I'm gonna send my kid in because I know you, and I will get, you know,
to hold up and talk, but I talk to everyone
Because of course, if I have a time timetable I'm not... You know, I I'm I'm not like
the that's out there, like a full flight, but I'm am so curious to know
Bona Rai 00:37:18
Juliet Hahn 00:37:19
about what people are doing and how they take. And and if
they say something that maybe gives me an idea.
Bona Rai 00:37:22
Juliet Hahn 00:37:25
Right. That's the other thing. It's like, wow. Oh, wow. I
I'm curious about this because maybe this is something I
should think about because this is a passion of mine, and I love that. I didn't realize that you could take
you know, you could do things in dog rescue, Like, you know, you can't
foster because my heart would, like, smash in a thousand pieces, but
know you can transport the dogs, and you can do all these other things. I wouldn't have known that and being able to help
Bona Rai 00:37:47
Juliet Hahn 00:37:47
like a rescue in the way that I do because of
Bona Rai 00:37:50
Juliet Hahn 00:37:50
asking questions and connecting with people and
Bona Rai 00:37:54
Juliet Hahn 00:37:53
not everyone has that personality. Right? It it is easy for me. I am an extra extrovert.
However, you can still do it in a way that you're
Bona Rai 00:38:05
Juliet Hahn 00:38:01
still learning and getting things and giving to other people because I truly believe I mean, it's
every one of my tagline lines like story connect us. But
we all can learn from each other. It doesn't matter what walks a life you have it doesn't matter what you're narrative
visit what your story is, We can all truly learn from each other.
Bona Rai 00:38:17
Yeah. And I think I a truly do think that's
so important, Julia, and and I'm glad you mentioned the fact that it doesn't have to be based on personality because
some of us envoy than others. But even even as I was thinking about it, like,
Juliet Hahn 00:38:34
Bona Rai 00:38:30
also think at the end of the... You you just have more fun with life as well in the sense of
you... It just forces you to let go did not take yourself as serious
Right? The example that comes to mind when you're talking about, you know, talking to all people from all walks of life is
I think about, you know, in twenty eighteen was when I
like to take a career break from a very corporate role, and they can imagine on being my pencil will go in my heels.
And then I was only with my parents for a year, as I worked full time on this fashion technology startup.
Which is, again, another thing that someone weed in the thirties is is doing
and then I moved to New York. Obviously, with with, and then, you know, we were just
kinda make the startup up failed, and then we were delivery drivers
for a short period of time. And I just think how he hilarious who would have looked reading both
quite little, you know, and had a delivery gloves. And we with
Juliet Hahn 00:39:19
Bona Rai 00:39:18
with we're holding chocolate. We're doing that, you know, and i just
And if we get too caught up in life, how you should be and all of these
things like you go... We've got these degrees. We've got, you know... You know, like, like,
we're just driving delivery band, but we had the best
time, and he learned so much.
Juliet Hahn 00:39:34
Bona Rai 00:39:34
In great shape, by the way, because of all of the lifting in the movie,
learn how to drive on other side of the road had amazing. And it was just a short window of time that
we did that. And I think if could get so caught up in wanting to be the
person that you think you should be in your head,
you miss out on those things. You like say you me selling on the learnings and the and and all that
cause and meeting people
Give me silent just liking yourself more, you know, and just
having fun with yourself, like, that's the biggest possible I think.
Juliet Hahn 00:40:01
No. Totally. And I'm gonna end with this... This this question because I do think it's important.
And I I believe, I I think Did will probably laugh because I know I definitely asked her this as well.
Where do you think you got that grit? I know, like, you know, you got the kind of the
from the divorce, it
opened up your world and stuff like that. But did you see, like, your parents
stepping out of the lines and doing things a little different. I know you said you know, you're very process as a
as a child. Did you see that in
in your world or do you think it just really was the experience of the divorce because that really, like, kind
broke open your whole world.
Bona Rai 00:40:34
No. I was say definitely growing up.
The divorce really, I think was almost the second round because
it it it he doubly hard because of all of the things I felt like I had done to
Juliet Hahn 00:40:45
Bona Rai 00:40:46
not being in that position. I felt like it did, and I think it was just a sense of betrayal that
came from, you know, stealing of betrayal would it said this person betrayed me, but because
I've been friends with can put in a long time too, But really, I think for me, personally,
growing up, I grew up in a very
I wanna say I'm also for doctor Way, but I was
obviously, this is my parents and until about three
essentially from the ages of three to nine,
And live with them. So I I went to Boarding school india I lived with my
aren't who was emotionally very distant. And
in know my cousins, I was left to kind of look after myself emotionally. Again,
Juliet Hahn 00:41:22
Bona Rai 00:41:20
my parents are the best that they could. It was a situation at the time. My dad was
British army me, my mom wasn't living where we were, and I wouldn't only see them.
During the holidays, my mom once a year and my dad once every two to three years.
So I think I was just
unfortunately, I think I was just
it just came to to me to be had a choice to either just be
you know, kind of
Think I just made a decision. I she say as a child very young to say, okay. This
is kind of what's happening now. So I'm just gonna, like, grow up really quick
And because I was quite academic, I love sport
not that makes them that's obviously great for a schooling environment. That's just all I put my head to.
My mind too. And as I was doing that, I think you can't help but build great because
you've got build emotional resilience like, I didn't know if I'm gonna go to my parents
Juliet Hahn 00:42:06
Bona Rai 00:42:06
and and you know, for example, for my birthday,
and then there would be... For example, that be times what I'm mom supposed speak me up.
For into holidays, but because of logistics and stuff like that,
she may or may not be able to come, and we didn't have phones at stuff at the time. So I sit by the time of the road for, Like
two whole days, you know. And I think
what I've built me was almost this... What I... That's why Was really good. I... I think
my gratitude of always sort of grown up with
feeling extremely grateful for whatever I do get. And it
helped me isn't very, very human. I'm I'm prone to take another of granted as well.
But life is very for me personally, you know, I
I've always had that feeling that you just really have to, you know, whatever you have in your palm at
It may be taken away from you. So I think growing up, I just kinda of grew up like that, and I just
build those skills. And then my dad was a huge influence to all this
at the time even though he couldn't be with me, he would find all these ways to get new letters and post
and I just... And and and it wasn't easy to get, you know, growing lines and things like that.
Many people you speak with
two minutes, he would always say
Juliet Hahn 00:43:14
Bona Rai 00:43:10
find a way to to, you know, to be happy Right?
So I think that was a huge growing up, and I didn't realize it at the time.
But now that I look back on it, that's just being reiterated for me sort of
pretty much every single day, so. I would say that's where Pull me for me. It comes in
And now I'm joining the dots because I'm an entrepreneurship about Mike,
Okay. This is better excuse are gonna come me and I'm gonna need it.
Juliet Hahn 00:43:32
Right. But that's beautiful. And that's beautiful about your your dad.
He... You know, he
clearly had a heart, like yours where he it was important to hear me, even though he knew
maybe he wasn't there and wasn't able to be there. He still showed you that he cared.
Bona Rai 00:43:46
Juliet Hahn 00:43:47
Which I think is beautiful. Well, I love that
And i... I mean, I know when we met a podcast, and Dear
get yourself ready because we're gonna have you come up. I remember
talking to you guys for a little bit and then going
Wait. Stop. Stop because you're both gonna be on the podcast because oh my gosh.
I love your stories, and I love just a little bit that you told me and it was really about, you know, cap and how you guys
delivered that. But then I think I asked them and I was, like, leave a second. This is like such an opportunity for
for a show and I love when things kind of just unfold. So
Bona Rai 00:44:14
Juliet Hahn 00:44:16
you guys are gonna be in for a really big treat. What we're gonna try to do
we're gonna see if it works because, you know, there's always live stuff. There's always something new
but we're gonna have
Dj drag come up and demonstrate. And so
On, if you wanna us as I'm doing this if you wanna talk a little bit and tell us what
cap was about as I invite Dad.
Bona Rai 00:44:37
Absolutely. Yes. Dj and i other picker ash
we've create a capture, which is basically an Ai powered
podcast typewriter. So like Juliet mentioned earlier,
to been helping her with her titles and show.
What we do is we take your audio file for your podcast, we transcribe it all
and then the software will actually write everything you need for your podcast.
From your title, descriptions, show notes,
blog posed captions,
quotes, you know that we create it. So it's been simplifying fun building this with.
And we are now coming up to six months live, I think, dates so. Yeah. Super exciting.
Deirdre Tshien 00:45:13
Yeah. If I find. I was like, watching you guys. I'm like, oh, you know what joy
you didn't have to bring now No you're so much fun. You know
unicorn anxiety. I have to say, like, no one like, Bona is like refuses.
To be on any podcast or get interviewed. So
Bona Rai 00:45:25
That makes me sound like a terrible person that's etcetera.
Deirdre Tshien 00:45:27
well, Juliet. You got you got
Juliet Hahn 00:45:32
Well, I feel like we did connect. We did connect up podcasting. I knew, like,
I I know I know she felt comfortable, but, no. I love that. And I love that. Thank you. So, woo. Your next
Bona Rai 00:45:41
Juliet Hahn 00:45:41
job. We did it. But one one of the things that I think was really cool also
and I want to send people again back to one sixty one because
when you guys first started this,
and this is a so important entrepreneur here. You have a vision. Right? You're like, this is what it is.
I mean I know my business has, like, really evolved and it started here, and then it just kinda
and boomed, and then it's like
Wow. That's what I'm meant to do, which is just really cool. So
when you guys first started this, it you had a little bit of a different thoughts
And then it really kind of... As you started your podcasting, it was like,
Okay. This is what we're meant to do, and you can kinda talk a little bit about that, but people can also
go back and listen to one sixty one.
Deirdre Tshien 00:46:24
Yes. We can do it all.
Juliet Hahn 00:46:27
Bona Rai 00:46:27
Deirdre Tshien 00:46:29
Did you wanna say... Did you wanna us to go into that a be juliet or it
Juliet Hahn 00:46:33
No. I didn't
Deirdre Tshien 00:46:32
Yeah. In terms of where we started. Okay. Cool.
Juliet Hahn 00:46:35
Yeah. No. I think I wanna I wanna bring this up. I want people to go back and and listen to that, but I really
want you to kind of take bring up and show so people can see
what capture is about. And and and then I can also talk
about how I use it with my editor and kinda talk about the functionality
what and what I see where it's really helped to me, especially what guys... You know, when
Ai and they come up with words. I was like, oh, this gonna be so good for my dyslexia because
I'm always like, you know, checking in my spelling and all of this. And so it's really, really great.
So go ahead. We can
Deirdre Tshien 00:47:05
Yeah. I I'm on my ipad so I could do it as
showing, but I I don't see the option to share any anything to share. Screen note. Have you done this?
Juliet Hahn 00:47:14
No. So... So that's what Was saying. This is like, this is this is new, but I'm thinking
Right? Because I don't think I can share my
Deirdre Tshien 00:47:22
Yeah. I can't. Okay. Well,
Juliet Hahn 00:47:21
because I didn't know if you were gonna be on your
I didn't know if we were gonna do and I said this Bond I was like, right. This is we're gonna
Deirdre Tshien 00:47:27
Juliet Hahn 00:47:29
kind of a trial. I didn't know if you were gonna be on and you were gonna then be able to show your
Deirdre Tshien 00:47:34
My laptop. Okay. I can do that.
Juliet Hahn 00:47:36
You know, I mean, I think that's I think we can do. I mean, I know as
if it was zoom, we would be able to show it That way,
and I actually will talk to the Fireside guys if any of you because I can't see because i'm blinds now
If any of you on the audience are listening to this, that would be a really cool thing, And I have
Bona Rai 00:47:53
Juliet Hahn 00:47:52
feeling that that is something that's coming around down. And that's one of the things that I love.
About Fireside is... Again, it's, you know, it's in the beta where they're
they're coming up with all these new new things, and it keeps it keeps of evolving
but I don't think I'm sure there is
something that they and They've heard them kinda talk about, like, the sharing the screen thing. So I think that's coming, but
we're gonna have it
Deirdre Tshien 00:48:12
Okay. I can do. This is the old school screen sharing way.
Juliet Hahn 00:48:16
Bona Rai 00:48:14
I love it.
Deirdre Tshien 00:48:16
So welcome to capture and my laptop.
Juliet Hahn 00:48:17
Deirdre Tshien 00:48:20
So, yeah, it's really enjoys for podcast. So I'll
click an audio file, and it takes about five minutes for, you know, capture to crunch
the data. And then at the end of that, they actually ask you, hey, these are summer
three top topics that we picked from your episode.
Do you want us to create your content based on one of these?
Do you wanna give us your you can actually focus the topic go you can focus what
crates for you, essentially, which is great from an Seo perspective.
And then once you do... Once it does that, you land on a screen.
Juliet Hahn 00:48:55
Yeah. We can been.
Deirdre Tshien 00:48:54
That key it. Yeah. Okay. That looks like that.
Juliet Hahn 00:48:56
Deirdre Tshien 00:48:56
And you can see on the side here all of the assets that
capture creates for you. So title descriptions show notes it's transcript,
social media captions,
Juliet Hahn 00:49:12
Deirdre Tshien 00:49:08
by platform as well. If I click on that,
and the social media captions, you get
promotional ones and you get engagement ones now. This is something that we just
So based on your podcast food,
we i submit my mess.
Juliet Hahn 00:49:25
No. Well, I had to say as you're
doing that. What one of the things it's fun also being a part of this
cap show, you know, from... One of the earlier times, it's really fun to see oh,
Deirdre Tshien 00:49:37
Juliet Hahn 00:49:37
Oh, wow. There's a new feature here. Oh, wow. This is really fun. So it's like fun to learn
and and go as you guys are growing as well.
Deirdre Tshien 00:49:43
Yeah. For sure. And you got... You have been amazing that, like,
honestly, right our early adopters. We have so much gratitude for them because
Again, you talked about grid and the grid that you guys had to
And then patience you to have with us to be like, oh, guys, this is not liking in
Juliet Hahn 00:49:59
Deirdre Tshien 00:50:00
like, oh my guys. Gale and we need big side.
Juliet Hahn 00:50:03
But, you know what? And there's also personalities for that like, Fireside. I mean, I've been with
them since almost the beginning and what they have evolved
and it's so funny because I'll, you know, some of the girls and if I can't see if they're in here,
but there'll be times where I'll be like, hey, this didn't work or this worked or
or... Oh, this is new. Can you tell me about this? And it's really fun to be able to work
and be patient because we all... When you're growing something, you can't
fact, and that's where people need to, like, take a chill pill and take a breath. I'm sure you've had people that, like,
Deirdre Tshien 00:50:31
Juliet Hahn 00:50:30
have come out you like, whoa what did was going on here? And it's like,
Bona Rai 00:50:34
Deirdre Tshien 00:50:34
Bona Rai 00:50:36
Juliet Hahn 00:50:34
we're evolving too, and we're here to help you. Right? We're we're here. We're growing a business
this is our passion. We know that it's something, but you have to give us a little patient
Deirdre Tshien 00:50:42
Juliet Hahn 00:50:42
so right. So this is something new that you guys just just
put out there. So, yeah, tell us about it.
Deirdre Tshien 00:50:47
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So then we also have, like, a full blog post
which also what we launched with that was you can actually
again, choose the particular topic you want blog post to be created.
For. We have Youtube description and
incredible. That's what calling say actually it finds
gosh up to, I don't know twenty twenty five quotes are from your episode based
on motivational unquote, topic based quotes story base cord,
Yeah. Pretty super. and it does all of that in, like, under ten minutes crates
the first draft.
For all of that.
Juliet Hahn 00:51:20
And it and the spelling, I have to say it's re like,
So anyone that's out there that has a powder or whatever, I you know, all the different things that have
Deirdre Tshien 00:51:31
Juliet Hahn 00:51:29
I mean, Fireside has a transcript. There's a lot of different ones some are better
some are not as good. I've had, like, you know, things where I'm like, what's that's not now.
Cops is really good.
Deirdre Tshien 00:51:40
Oh, thank you.
Bona Rai 00:51:41
Juliet Hahn 00:51:40
I mean, I I I've... I mean, I really is pretty accurate. I I think I know my editor
I use it, but my editor also uses it so that's not something to tell.
You know, I have many different shows. You guys know I have, you know, your next
stop, and then I have all my live shows, and I really use it for
a lot of the pre recorded because Fireside comes up with
there record, you know, their transcripts and stuff like that.
But for... But you can do it with all of them. You can have three guests
you can have a a lot of different options, the way you wanna do it. So I know I use it
for my recorded because that's like the look I want for the pre recorded. I have a look that I went for the live.
And so the live. But one of the things that I think is fun
though a lot of people have been, like, I love that you do that with the the show notes.
And, you know, and my emails that I send out is that you cap show
breaks it down. So it's like, this is what you're gonna learn in this episode. And it like, really pulls out
fun things that you popular are thinking, but you don't have
Deirdre Tshien 00:52:36
Bona Rai 00:52:34
Juliet Hahn 00:52:35
put the brain power in because it pulls it out for you.
Bona Rai 00:52:38
Juliet Hahn 00:52:38
And then the same with the title, which I think is really great.
And and then the all the social media stuff. I mean, really, when I do my blog posts,
a lot of times because my
social media stuff. I usually use my show notes, which
capsule does create. And then for the the
my email that I put out Monday and Thursday, I will take some of the
social media stuff,
and take that and then kinda combine it with my show notes
that, you know, cops pulled out, and you guys suggested that. Like, that's the other thing is
Deirdre Tshien 00:53:08
Juliet Hahn 00:53:08
that you guys are really hands on. You're really there. You want us to be
comfortable. You want us to be learning. You want us to know, hey, you can do this.
And which is really kinda of cool so anyone in the audience there
if you go to, you can see it's cops, and then I think
Bond. I think you put it in your
Bona Rai 00:53:23
Mhmm. In my profile as well. Yeah.
Juliet Hahn 00:53:28
Yep. So you can click on there. And then Dj afterwards,
Deirdre Tshien 00:53:32
Juliet Hahn 00:53:31
I'm gonna suggest that you put your picture and then do your your
you know, do your bio, so people can do that, But you guys can click there. You can learn about the price
there's many different options, which is also really cool. You guys have really
evolved that as well, which I think is really, which is awesome. There's many different price points.
Now. And, yeah, tell us a little bit more. Like, tell us someone, like, you know,
Bona Rai 00:53:53
Juliet Hahn 00:53:52
some of the fun things that you think are coming up and and more about
just the venture what you guys are doing.
Deirdre Tshien 00:53:56
Yeah. Oh, my eight has been under Zen.
It feels like the it's been, like, five years in the making when it's been, like, five months.
Bona Rai 00:54:02
Deirdre Tshien 00:54:05
But, yeah, it's it's so funny what you was saying, like, in terms of, you know, even how
like the powder. Sometimes,
like, we don't... People use caption ways that we didn't even think would
you know, we had users like Adam, who his email open rates went from, like,
Juliet Hahn 00:54:21
Deirdre Tshien 00:54:20
mid twenty, like, sixty six percent since you didn't captured because he was like
he'd get an email subject line. He's like, I'm not. He's said now. That doesn't telling me.
And then he'll he'll... He like, oh but, you know, look... I'm gonna just gonna test it anyway. That's what
Juliet Hahn 00:54:28
Deirdre Tshien 00:54:32
entrepreneurship all about. Put that in, like, his email emulate kinda welcome his like, and
you know, and people are just using it in all these different ways. I'm like, wow
so cool. And love induces me to hear about yeah. All those different things, but I'm
Some really exciting things we have coming up. We're actually working on
a guest module. So we know that there are a lot of
people who guest on podcaster and virtual summit and things like that.
And they're like, you know, it would be awesome to also be able to create
all of these written content offset
Yeah. Things Like
the the I guess, for on. And so that's what we're wacky on. So we're actually testing we've bot
Juliet Hahn 00:55:09
Oh, that's cool.
Deirdre Tshien 00:55:11
you know, we're gonna have get a beta group together and really test that out.
We are going to start to look at
the creative side as well. So we we're really tackling like the coffee
content. So we really wanna start to look at the creative content side as well to be like
How can we hop in that space? So he's the cool things coming down the pipe
find that we're working on. Yeah. It's just super exciting.
Juliet Hahn 00:55:34
I love it, and I love what you guys are doing, And I love both again, your stories
at podcast, that's what connected me. You were telling me
because I I you guys are at to exhibit a hall and you're like, have you gone through and I was like, no?
Truthfully, I didn't go to the these I mean, I did it I did a talk, and then I just
I really like meeting people in this kind of atmosphere, And I think it
Deirdre Tshien 00:55:56
Juliet Hahn 00:55:55
wasn't it like a trivia night that you guys were supposed to do and the Night. I distracted you.
You never did
Bona Rai 00:55:56
Yeah. We didn't wanna be there. We didn't wanna be there?
Deirdre Tshien 00:56:00
Juliet Hahn 00:56:02
we kind of are like, we were in, like, the back, and I was just, like, fascinated.
With what you guys are doing. I was telling you about, you know, how I got into the space
And it was just fine. It was fun to connect, and and that's why
again, asking questions meeting people, you never know
what you're gonna learn.
And who you're gonna connect with because not everyone connects, you know? And that then there's nothing wrong with
but not anywhere when connects in in deep levels and
and no. Okay. These people are supposed to be kind of in my world because of x y and z.
Deirdre Tshien 00:56:28
Bona Rai 00:56:28
Deirdre Tshien 00:56:33
Juliet Hahn 00:56:32
Deirdre Tshien 00:56:34
It was like, it's everything's fake. Right? It feels like it's fades. Like, we we got to meet you
Obviously, finally told... You how we met each other and just everything that it all happens to
Super grateful all of that.
Juliet Hahn 00:56:43
It really does.
Yeah. Well, I just have to say I'm gonna let you guys go because I know you're busy and
I have to take a kid to an honest in twenty minutes.
So my my day job as an entrepreneur,
turns very quickly. And and now the kids are home from school. And so now I'm gonna be in the car as a taxi driver.
Deirdre Tshien 00:57:03
Juliet Hahn 00:57:02
Which is... Which is my second thing. It it's dudes the time of life that we're in
I wouldn't treat it for the world, but thank you guys so much for joining Your next
stop here live on Fireside. It has been a pleasure and
anyone that has any questions, there's so many people in the audience, which so fun
I know you guys got to hear the clap. I think we have a little bit of a silence audience today, but there's so many different reaction
that are really fun. I'm gonna actually do one right now.
guys, this has been awesome. Definitely send this episode out. It
lives here live on Fireside it will also go out on your next stop podcast.
Where it goes out on all of the, you know, things it's
live on Youtube right now. So you guys can send that. It's all
live on Linkedin, which is gonna be sent out there as well. But this is this is an episode.
That if you have people in the space that need this, they need to hear it.
May need to hear it. So thank you so much, Dj and Papa.
Bona Rai 00:57:54
Thank you, Juliet.
Deirdre Tshien 00:57:56
Juliet Hahn 00:57:56
Yes. And you guys again, thank you
so much for joining. Your next stop live. I'm gonna be around
pretty much all this week and next week and with new stuff,
my storytelling consulting, I'm doing a three series
right now in storytelling telling, you can catch that as well. But, again, thank you so much
and we will see you guys like it.
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