Your Next Stop Live with Clint Hatton

your next stop Mar 09, 2023

Listen to a new episode of Your Next Stop Live recorded live on Fireside, featuring guest Clint Hatton. Clint is an author, motivational speaker, personal development and leadership coach, and the founder of BigBoldBrave in McKinney, Texas. He has been coaching individuals and organizations for over twenty years with a proven track record of helping people live up to their full potential while building healthier marriages, relationships, and teams. Clint recently published his first book, Big Bold Brave: How to Live Courageously in a Risky World. It was inspired by the way his oldest son lived his life. Gabriel achieved his goal of becoming a licensed pilot at the age of 17. He died in a tragic plane crash while living his dream just shy of his 18th birthday. His legacy is carried on by the Hatton family.


Check out Clint’s Website, and find him on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook and Twitter.


Remarkable Quotes


“We had to tell our pain how to behave. We had to tell our pain where to go. Otherwise it was just going to keep us trapped.”

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Juliet Hahn  00:06:48 

I was telling people when you weren't here, you to follow you at big bold brave dot Us

you can also find clint on all the socials Clint Manhattan,

you can also find big bold brave on all the social as well. So clint,

and I love hold to

Clinton has to just a microphone

Oh, good. Yeah. We got that. Thank you, Gary. We have some people

if you guys are here on Linkedin, whether you're Linkedin twitch,

Youtube live, whether you're here, watch

in the replay on Fireside or you're in the room. I know I've just had some people text

me say, I'm gonna jump in at some point.

We appreciate you guys being here. Again, my name is Juliet Han. This is your next stop live.

Live on Fireside with my guest, Clint Manhattan,

you guys can find hit him everywhere, but you can also go to his big bold

dot us. You are a first time author.

Yesterday, am I correct?


Clint Hatton  00:07:38 

I am.

Yeah. Well, I've been pre selling it for a little bit. But yesterday, was the official launch.

So, yes, we're are often running.


Juliet Hahn  00:07:48 

Yeah. So I would... If you can just get into

you know, I want your you were

a pastor. Right? A minister. You also. So you've been preaching for many years.


Clint Hatton  00:08:01 

Yeah. I I I was until January

So now I'm actually fully in. I I did that for seventeen years.

And now I'm fully end with my vision for Big bull, the personal don't

company speaking and just finding different avenues to help a broader audience.


Juliet Hahn  00:08:17 

Right. And I know when we connected, we, you know, were

gonna be speaking, you know, for fifteen minutes, my my listeners know I kinda do a little

Let's see how our energies go, and then we kept going, and I was like, oh, wait.

We we we need to stop. And as I was telling that you know the listeners before,

you have a pretty pretty tragic story, and what came out of the story is

you know, is this beautiful creation that you're creating. So if you can kind of

you know, just start a little bit with your background, kinda where you grew up

what I always love to. You know, have the listeners listen to, and and then we'll we'll

continue with the story from there.


Clint Hatton  00:08:52 

Sounds great.

Yeah. Well, I grew up in Sunny Southern California and been

first nineteen years in my life there so just had what I can hear to be a pretty

pretty average normal life for the most part, like you own an

athlete mostly football and baseball. So I have a lot of fun with that a lot of

obsessed with that, but then, you know, things

started to shift a little bit when I was about twelve. My

parents had been married for twenty five years and my dad end up designed

have an affair, which is breaking up the family for a while it got

pretty ugly. He moved out, moved in with this other person,

actually in her, which was, you know, incredibly awkward for me.


Juliet Hahn  00:09:33 



Clint Hatton  00:09:33 

And during that period of time, my mom began to, you know, she not a cop.

They got married when they were eighteen and sixteen years old. You know, they're from a different generation.

So she had, you know, to suicide radiation idea, almost

killed me actually twice when she was trying to commit

soon suicide in a car and once with a handgun. And so, you know, that was when for me early on.

Life again the shift

at that time, I began to use all the wrong coping mechanisms Right? You know, because I was pretty

angry. So I drank. I did

a ton of drugs and really... Julia one four

for. I probably would went

completely down the tubes. But I stayed


Juliet Hahn  00:10:16 



Clint Hatton  00:10:13 

you know, I say over enough when I needed you to be able to compete and succeed. So

So that one's kind the first real big bump in the road for me was back then.

But eventually, you know, I I'm moved on and

at nineteen, I had my second catastrophic knee injury

playing Junior college football hoping that I was gonna be able to get a full ride to a

know a bigger school. And so my life just kinda went down there other path that I never planned

Became a professional salesperson, but I also got into meth.

And so, you know, during even that entire time, nine years,

I did hard drugs I did mess.


most people wouldn't be even none, you know, because I wore suit the eye and, you know,

other than if you were with me, parting, you wouldn't have known probably.

But my life really went down, you know, kind of a dark road.

Then once I got to my thirties, that was when faith kicked in for me.

And that was just a foundational thing that helped me begin to turn my life around.

And then I'll just leave you this last one then we'll launch out, and then

I actually joined

a network marketing company. You know, we've all been approached by one by now. Right?


Juliet Hahn  00:11:21 



Clint Hatton  00:11:21 

And so I joined this company, and it ended up being that

they all happen to be believers, but more than that,

just the mindset and the life philosophies

just began to do something inside of me that I realized I was better.

Than what I was showing the world. And so that's really when things began really

shift for me, and that was

when I was thirty one years old, I'm fifty seven now.


Juliet Hahn  00:11:45 

Right. I mean, and and so, you know, I

my parents actually got divorced when I was twelve, they did not have

terrible doors. You know, it was kind of a lot of kids

just a lot of responsibility. They got married young. So it was, like, you know, they were both

approaching forty. My dad was just turned forty. And I remember

it is a... It is a a strange time. It's a strange time when you're all of a sudden like, okay.

My life that I thought was gonna be is kind of

changing a little bit. And when you're a young person in your mind can't really grasp it,

it's hard to then navigate, and especially seeing your mom go through what

she went through that had to been really, really tough, you know, and so many people

unfortunately, do go look to to numb. Right? You wanna numb those feelings

you wanna know you don't, not how to do it And so you turn to drugs.

So when you found



Clint Hatton  00:12:33 



Juliet Hahn  00:12:36 

Was it in kind of an automatic? Okay? I need to just

stop drugs or was it, you know, a really rough stop?


Clint Hatton  00:12:41 

No. That's that's a great question.

And I'll and I'll point out really quick because I'm sure a lot of your listeners can relate to this. My parents

actually reconcile a couple years later.

But that didn't undo the damage.


Juliet Hahn  00:12:52 



Clint Hatton  00:12:53 

And and each they even knew at times that I was using back

coping mechanisms, but I don't know if it was just guilt shame, whatever it was, but

you know, they never addressed. So anyway, that's said,

That's a great question because when I was about thirty, this is just before I

actually decided to become a faith.

I had done. I I was married before, so that's also part of my

story. I was in a five year marriage that was just a complete train wreck.

You know, I was a train Wreck. I was a terrible husband. I won't I need to get into her because it, you know,


Juliet Hahn  00:13:20 



Clint Hatton  00:13:24 

I was my own issue, so... But we didn't be well together.

And so the there was this one night where we decided we both were gonna go out and do math one

more time.

And so we did. And Juliet at the next day, I woke up

and felt like just garbage

And I realized I've wasted so much of the night the

for anybody who's ever been in that world. You know, a lot of times, you spend hours waiting to give

the shop. You know?

All that stuff. I just saw, man, this is not

how I wanna live my life. This is not who I wanna be.

And so I made a decision that day. I was done, and I've never used sent

and that was actually

before I decided to, you know, go to a church and

and, you know, have an experience with what it's like to live with face. So

it started before that. Now I would say

where the faith really began to change my life was not

the drug addiction, it was really just, again, changed my mindset.

About who I really am, what I was created to be

that I can really make a difference in the world, you know, because I'd always

always loves helping people. And for one whatever reason, people would share the


Juliet Hahn  00:14:35 



Clint Hatton  00:14:35 

craziest things with me. He know, just really

into saying. I remember when that we were doing math and I was with a

a group of people, but they all left to go get more alcohol, and I was left with the wife of one of the guys.

Had never met them before. The they thing I know she's telling me about how

you've been raped and in all the different issues that she had never even told her husband. You know?


Juliet Hahn  00:14:53 



Clint Hatton  00:14:55 

So for whatever reason, I was a magnet to that kind of thing.

But, obviously, you know, not very well equipped

this should you much of an help in those day.


Juliet Hahn  00:15:04 

Right. And and you... You know, the reason I I asked you that is because it it really fascinated me

the way

know, there is an addict and people will say, oh,

an advocates, like, great, some people don't believe, like you're an addict. You can't you can just stop, especially if

someone can stop, like, like, I make my my mind up, I shop

there's other people that truly

can't. And for whatever reason, it's just the way their brain is

wired. So it always fascinated me kind of I think it gives a little

insight into who you are, but also where your journey then takes

you because of being like, okay. You know what I'm done?

You know, I've lived... I've lived life. I've lived a pretty hard life, and now I'm done, and now I'm going

to I've just had enough, you know? And so it's really important for people to also

you know, you always say, okay. That rock bottom, that person

should be now being like, okay. This is how much further can they get and they do. They

find a deeper deeper deeper hole, which is, you know, which is sad, but they're

Again, I believe

in god, but some people believe in the universe and people believe in both, I believe in both.

I truly believe we all do have a pass

and if we can just kinda listen sometimes, listen to

the cues or, you know, maybe we've god being like I'm gonna make him really wait to piss

them off and see where this what happens. You know where? Let's make the situation that happens.

So from there, you decided okay. I'm done. So when did then that

first marriage end


Clint Hatton  00:16:31 

It really wasn't too long after. So, you know, without getting in the weeds with you


quote unquote Salvation experience. You know I went to church one day with some friends because

I just knew there something different about them. It it was really other reason. They were very

successful business people

I noticed Dale seem to have a common piece even when the storms are going on. So I went

And that's when I made a decision to follow God. Well, she wasn't too thrilled about that.

And I just really knew at that time in my life, I really felt like I was called

to do something inside of the church, which is

something that she just wasn't interested in. So it was only

know, eight nine months after getting a bunch of counseling, We went to

quote unquote Christian Marriage counseling and

just one day, she decided to serve me to Divorce Papers and just said, I just

this where I wanna go with my life. And the irony of that

you was, you know, we had had some really ugly fights.

During those five years. And I remember being angry for a couple of minutes

because no one wants to be rejected. Right?


Juliet Hahn  00:17:26 



Clint Hatton  00:17:31 

And then I remember just this kinda of calm coming over me. Like, why are you so angry?

Because our life was miserable.

And we actually didn't up having for about three hours, probably the best

calm conversation that we'd had

maybe ever. And so we ended up following through with the divorce and I'm

I went my way and she went hers, and that's ultimately what kind of led to me

moving from California to Dallas and and starting over.


Juliet Hahn  00:17:56 

Right. Which is what I mean, again, it's one of those things like you're... Yes. As you said, no one like

to be rejected, but it was best

maybe one of the best things that happened to you because where I led you,

So what it where did Dallas look like? What would can of take us through that part of


Clint Hatton  00:18:08 



Juliet Hahn  00:18:10 

your life. You're clean now you're you know, newly divorced.

You found god.


Clint Hatton  00:18:16 

That's exactly right. So, you know, when when I

was thinking about making a move. There was actually

three different areas that I was thinking about. I had some

friend in Southern of California that were doing some ministry that I was interested in. I had some

in the San Francisco Bay area, and then

this network marketing was a part of I had a couple of friends. One with my one was very six

successful. You know, she's one of the ones that was on the cover of success magazine that kind of stuff.

And they were coming to Dallas to build the business.

But it was the one place I've never been. And so to shorten the story,

I I prayed about. I got counsel for some people, and it just

everything pointed to Dallas even though that was one place, I had no reference point

no job. So I literally sold all my possessions

didn't have a job

ready for me. And I moved with

one of the Married couples that was involved in that business. We we can't have an agreement that we would

say together for one year.

Just to kinda help each other get him, you know, get involved in the business.

Here and do what we need to do and then we would part. And so that's what happened, but

shortly after I got here, I just really felt like

The network marketing business had kinda

run its course with me. I wasn't really passionate about the business.

It was more of the, you know, just helping people side of things and


Juliet Hahn  00:19:33 



Clint Hatton  00:19:33 

I was really beginning speaking in front of an audience and motivating people. So that's when

I decided to... I'm just gonna see what happens.

So it was really a total blind journey, you know,

I mean,

with faith, I felt like I was making the right decisions, but there is no clear path


Juliet Hahn  00:19:47 



Clint Hatton  00:19:51 

And then ultimately, I I had to get a job you know, of course, I got a job right away.

Buy a new car right away so I could get around. And ultimately, I ended up in

the cellular business when it was relatively new was been, you know, twenty five plus years ago.

Manage a a pretty good size store and just kinda wait to see. Okay. I moved two thousand miles away from


Juliet Hahn  00:20:07 



Clint Hatton  00:20:09 

everything I know. And now I married to self the store.

Well let it up with that, You know?

But like, after a couple of years of doing that, I developed some other skills and

ended up going to work for a a very large ministry at that time one of the biggest in the world and

that kinda launch me into the Christian realm of mastery, if you will.


Juliet Hahn  00:20:29 

Got it. That. I mean, that and, again, it's it is so funny to wear, like, where a life

takes you and and and makes you reflect, you know, And sometimes you think about

things that

you went through, and then you're reflect on. Okay. This is where I am. And sometimes I talk about this a lot

on the podcast. You know, when sometimes that unknown is, like, really what

sometimes stops people. Right? I don't know what's gonna happen. So I don't wanna push myself forward because

I don't wanna fail or I'm just nervous, and sometimes,

some of that unknown and what happens in the unknown is

all of a sudden... Those two things come together and you're like,

Okay. I see you. I I see you.


Clint Hatton  00:21:08 

I didn't know. Yeah. Yes.


Juliet Hahn  00:21:09 

I get it now, all that all that, you know, stressed I was doing all this

that I was doing. And then all of a sudden it was like, boom. Okay. That makes sense.

I'm gonna, you know, move forward. So when you got involved in the ministry, what

what was your role? And then how did you grow there?


Clint Hatton  00:21:22 

Well, two very exciting things have

in there because one of the things I really felt was

going to happen through this move at some point. I I really felt like I was gonna get a second chance

at being a husband, and we did not have kids. So, you know, wasn't the father yet?

So when I went to work for this organization, I actually met my now bride of

twenty years here in about a month and a half at

that particular job. I was actually being interviewed to work in her department.


Juliet Hahn  00:21:52 



Clint Hatton  00:21:53 

And so two things is kind of all happening at the same time.

Now that's a whole other story in itself. We can talk for two hours about our

our story and how we ultimately end up becoming married to the

didn't happen quickly. It was it was about a year and a half long journey with a lot of twists and turns, but

But anyway, I I go in and I I meet her and I'm thinking there's something better.

And so then they start training. So ultimately, I started with just being

this gonna sound smaller than it is, but I was in charge of book sales. Now,

this particular organization, we get events a small event was here in the United States.


twenty thousand people we do madison and square guard, We do American Airline airlines stereo, stuff like that.

So I was dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth the product.

And then we would do internationally events as well. Biggest one I was every part of by

half a million people in one service. So, you know, these were very large

venues use very large event. But eventually, I'd be

began to develop some other skills do a lot of stage

work as far as, you know, hosting and

just announcements things of that nature,

ended up taking on a whole bunch of things. Eventually, they call me an event coordinated, but really, I did

all kinds and different things. I handled all of our radio

newspaper print add

you know,

promos for the events, things like that.

Handled a bunch of any venues


was constantly working with, you know, we'd have

big time musical artist or other people in written books or whatever come in.

So I was kind the liaison for them. I was kind jack all trained.

When I left, they ended up actually giving my job the three different people

but so I'm not saying that the time I up on the baggage is

it didn't make a lot of sense. I was wearing too many had.


Juliet Hahn  00:23:38 

Right. But, you know what I love. I mean, so many different things and I... We talked about this before because I... You know,

I do wanna have you and your wife on together not

just talk about your journey, but then also talk about

you know, the tragic that you guys had in your life and then how kind of this

unfolded because we talked about that. So we will definitely get there. So anyone that's listening they're like, we

why aren't are you asking questions on that? Because that's gonna be another show. But I do wanna pause for one second because

anyone that is in this room and clint... You can do the same thing. I know we had some issues in the green room.

But if you feel comfortable enough touch your phone, if you go down to those two little

lined at the bottom to the last, you'll see something where it says broadcast to the world.

And you'll see, like, I have a little goal globe, like, this is going live on. You can

click this and send it to your friends. You can put it on Facebook. You can put it on

believe, like Linkedin, I mean, this is being broadcast on those things.

But you can also do that as well to kinda get some of your

people that are not in Fireside, This is one of the things that we love about this platform.

They can actually click that link that you're sending and listen to this whole whole show even

when they're not fireside. So that's what is this great

This this great platform is all about. And you know now now you're

you're you're like, well, now my videos all messed up, but you'll you'll figure it out. Well,


Clint Hatton  00:24:47 

On my biggest, But only for a second here, I'm almost



Juliet Hahn  00:24:50 

Yeah. So so

I mean, the thing is though

also, all of that that you were doing for this



Clint Hatton  00:24:57 



Juliet Hahn  00:25:01 

Like, as you were saying it, I was like, oh my gosh. It's totally setting you up

for what you are gonna be doing now and what you're meant to be doing now because of

how your life unfolded. And so it's really setting you up

for growing.

What you're doing, which is it is kinda it gave me chills because I was like, oh, my gosh all that

stuff is now exactly what you're gonna be, you know, what you have been doing, but now as it grows with

your first book. So you met your wife. You're doing, you know, this amazing

stuff your events and all these different things. You're really

getting tools under your belt that are gonna lead you to the to your next

you know, pat, so you guys get married and then kinda take us

take us into that.


Clint Hatton  00:25:40 

Yeah. So when we got married,

it wasn't long after for that, probably about

I don't know six months to a year, she ended up leaving

that particular organization. It just made a lot of sense for us.

So she actually ended up going to work for a medical facility that does

really high end stuff of like, the maverick and stuff like that. All these

high in physical and and those types of things. So she really enjoyed that. So

But then about six months to a year, this was the funny thing Julia

because we... We had made an agreement that we really felt like we wanted to be a say at home mom.

But we were just too scared not to have the two incomes.

And so


Juliet Hahn  00:26:13 



Clint Hatton  00:26:17 

and, we decide. Well, we'll just find other ways to

you know, do quote on unquote god's well because we felt like that's what you want us to do.


everything is going well. This is a high end facility.

And after one year, they completely have this shut down and fire everybody except


Juliet Hahn  00:26:34 



Clint Hatton  00:26:34 

for the main doctor in a nurse. So we found ourselves

Okay. You it to go. You know?

So she became me home mom at that time I had

the two boys Gabriel and Joel,

we hadn't had liam yet yet. And so life began to, you know, just kinda shift

we had really

struggle is probably too rock, you know, stronger word, but

it was tough because I traveled a lot.

You know, I was traveling around the globe. I was gone on average, you know, a couple of weeks.

How of the month, there were stretches that could be much worse. There were stretches that would be

a little bit longer in between, but I was I was gone a lot.

And we didn't get married for me to be, you know, jet sitting around the world even if it was for a good

cause. You know, we really felt like we wanted to do things together.

So, you know, as a couple we prayed about that,

went ended up being really a couple of years.

Before that came a day, what we, you know, really felt like, okay. That season is up.


Juliet Hahn  00:27:27 



Clint Hatton  00:27:29 

And, again, I'm gonna make the long story short. We

had some really interesting things happen to kinda confirm that.

And we read agreement

so what was crazy about it?

Was I really felt like the instruction. I

received was I need to give my

organization of thirty day notice.

Which that was no big deal because I was gonna get paid for another thirty days.

Then I felt like I was supposed to stay at home for thirty days after that and not even look for work.


Juliet Hahn  00:27:53 



Clint Hatton  00:27:55 

Now she was been mom. Right? So

that didn't make a lot of sense.

But by this point, you know, living a life of faith,

god had already been faithful in our mind in so many dramatic ways that were like, okay. Let's

do this this is little off the beaten and path and let's do it.

So ultimately, what I am happening was, you know, when you leave a job,

any corporate job and for those who may aren't as familiar with the

search world in terms of, you know, the internal side of things.


Juliet Hahn  00:28:24 



Clint Hatton  00:28:24 

You don't get a severance. You know, they don't pay you quit. Right?

So this whole idea at the end of thirty days, I've gotta do nothing for

thirty days and not make money was crazy. Well, two days,

before I actually had my last day.

My boss who was one of there was three executive vice

presidents that ran this organization that just got different roles.

And by then, we were really good friends. He came in and he goes hey, man.

So I wanna let you know I was able to go to battle for you.

And I actually got you four week Severance day.

So I was like,


Juliet Hahn  00:28:56 



Clint Hatton  00:28:58 

Yes. You know? Yeah.


Juliet Hahn  00:28:58 



Clint Hatton  00:29:01 

Awesome because we were, you know, we were lean with zero. You know, we were prepared for that.


Juliet Hahn  00:29:06 



Clint Hatton  00:29:06 

But I really feel like you know, that decision

had to be made in that space where we were jumping out and say.

And so then it got even crazier the next day, which was my

actual last day, you know, I'm doing the cake saying on

you know, hug and necks and saying goodbye, everybody and

key texted that he was Belgium. Actually, he had to lead to go to a

a venue to check things out with Belgium. He checks me and he goes, make that

six weeks.


Juliet Hahn  00:29:29 



Clint Hatton  00:29:31 

Now I

Hey. Now I got my thirties a's plus two each you. That's pretty sweet. You know?

So that was cool. You know? That was really cool.

So what happened was... So now, Juliet, you know, I'm I've got thirty days. I've

been traveling all this time. And so we did a bunch of Diy project

together, you know, painted walls and did some things and just hung out with the kid and

just enjoyed live, but then, you know, thirty days comes right.

And thirty days seem like it lasted about


Juliet Hahn  00:29:57 




Clint Hatton  00:29:59 

a week. You can.

You know, at the end of thirty days now, you know, I'm allowed to go

look for a job. So, you know, I I felt like, again, I was called

two ministry at that stage in my life, and I really felt like it was gonna be in some sort of

speaking role in some fashion. But I wasn't... I wasn't ambitious about that.

You know? So most of the jobs that I applied forward were back

into, you know, the corporate world because I been doing the sales for so long.

And then what happened when, day was there was a

there was a particular ministry down Louisiana. Now this is, like, six months Africa train.


Juliet Hahn  00:30:36 



Clint Hatton  00:30:36 

So everybody can kinda remember how bad that was. It was a really awful joy.


Juliet Hahn  00:30:39 



Clint Hatton  00:30:41 

And Need that they're looking for a youth pastor. I was just looking on the website to just

check up and see what was going on down there. And I turned to my wife and I said,


His name was Jesse Plants said He's looking for a youth pastor.

Joking. Like killing guilty because it's Louisiana, Katrina,

we live in North Dallas. We're loving it. We just bought in new house, you know, just a couple years before.

And she goes well

shoot we let god decide. No like no, gosh. Okay. Yeah. Whatever I.

Spirit. You know now we could do that. You know? Because there was a zero risk

Nobody hear me down there. You know? And plus,

by now, I'm, like, forty years old.

Who wants a forty year old with, you know, use faster, who, by the way,

has never even been to a user or in an entire life because I didn't even, you know, get involved

until I in my thirties. So I just... I live I literally

got my resume.

Hit. I prayed over it. Like, you might bless a bowl of cereal. Right? I'm That.

And then I just hit sin. I'm like, oh okay. I did my job. You know? Thinking


Juliet Hahn  00:31:42 



Clint Hatton  00:31:45 

not think of that and just moved on

Well, everybody's already probably guess where this story is going. So

ultimately, they contacted me. We ended up feeling really honored that they wanted to talk to us

we flew down. They flows down, and we ended up

going on staff of this church. It was just such great me. There was a lot of hurt people

many who had just literally lost loved ones and loss


Juliet Hahn  00:32:06 



Clint Hatton  00:32:08 

everything they owned. I mean, it was just really felt like we could go down there and do some good.

Now the reason why I wanted to bring that part up is because I just left you with

this whole idea that I had a six week severance. Right?

So another part of this was

when when I got hired by them,

I really felt once again, I got very unusual instruction. This had never happened before.

Never happens since.

To not even negotiate my salary.

So I literally started doing the job and didn't even know one

I was even put on the payroll yet, let alone what that paycheck was gonna be.

Don't recommend. But that's what I did.



Juliet Hahn  00:32:45 



Clint Hatton  00:32:46 

So this goes by, you know, for a couple weeks. Now let me point out really quick that that six weeks

severance that I was given was not paid out in a lump sum.

It was paid out over three pay periods.

So one day, I... I they fly me down. I'm going back in

forth literally because we hadn't found a place to live yet in Louisiana.

So I'm driving down a couple of times. I'm flying down

they slimy me down. They picked me up to the airport.

And the senior pastors say, by the way,

I just wanna let you know, we already put you on the payroll.

And I have a check for you.

My. That's feels great. Right.


Juliet Hahn  00:33:20 

Wow. Right.


Clint Hatton  00:33:22 

And getting paid. You know, I don't know what. But well, here's what's crazy. Why share that story?

So what nobody knew of the me

because I've never told them that I had a severance from the other you know, organization.

Is that the last of the three paychecks from that organization

I received the same exact day.


Juliet Hahn  00:33:40 



Clint Hatton  00:33:41 

That I got the first paycheck.

From the new organization.

So, you know, God just kinda worked it all out, and we never even missed

single day. So it was the pretty amazing

time of our life. You know, a lot of challenges, And was a complete disaster

and yet,

you know, God was moving.


Juliet Hahn  00:33:56 


Now did you... So I know you said you had bought the place in Dallas a few years ago.


Clint Hatton  00:34:04 



Juliet Hahn  00:34:04 

So with there kind of thoughts, okay, We're gonna rent

Dallas out to see how long this is and how this works or

we're gonna just sell it and, you know, just jump in with two feet.


Clint Hatton  00:34:12 


That's a great question. Well, we did Wrestle without that

Now you gotta... You gotta understand the timeline. Everybody's gonna do the math. This is two thousand and six.


Juliet Hahn  00:34:22 



Clint Hatton  00:34:23 

Two thousand and seven. We know where

the outlet market in Doctor go. Right?


Juliet Hahn  00:34:29 



Clint Hatton  00:34:29 

But let we read decision, we we didn't know that yet. You know?

And so we ended up actually deciding, well, let's just lease it out.


Juliet Hahn  00:34:35 



Clint Hatton  00:34:36 

And we can hang on to it and we'll end up having a passive income. And, you know, that was

that was idea. Right? I hope so we did. Well,

that was part of why I said there were some really great things happening, and then there were some great challenges

the people that ended up moving in were people that

we knew the wife

for many years.

She was relatively newly married. Didn't know him so much.

And it really on paper look like a real win win situation.

Well, we had no idea. And even she didn't know at the time how bad their situation was.

Because he was hiding some things. Literally, the first mon Juliet

they were over three weeks late, making that payment.


Juliet Hahn  00:35:13 



Clint Hatton  00:35:15 

You know? And, you know, we're use young old pastors. So we weren't

exactly breaking it in And so it became

some of a nightmare, and it actually got to one point where they

weren't able to pay for over three months. So it was it... It was tough. It was a really tough

time, you know,

we could've have sued them. We could've have done a for variety of different things, but we just really felt like.

We still need to somehow keep that relationship intact.

So eventually, you know, we said, hey, you have to move out. You know, you you just have to you have to go

find and work because you can't pay us. And so that's what happened, and we ended up

short selling the house. We got some help from family to kinda offset

the cost of that. And so that was really, really tough.

You know, because when we went to the Louisiana,

again, post Katrina, anybody who was downer there at that time would know this there was

almost no howling.


Juliet Hahn  00:36:03 



Clint Hatton  00:36:05 

It was very difficult. We couldn't even find a place to rest

there was nowhere to rent unless it was in a place where

you probably wanna wear a flat jacket every day you get me out of the house too. So



Juliet Hahn  00:36:14 

Right. And and... Yeah and how old were the boys at this time?


Clint Hatton  00:36:17 

Yeah. So that was a gabriel liam were rough

please five and two


Juliet Hahn  00:36:21 



Clint Hatton  00:36:24 

so they were very little, you know, very young.

And so we up happened to buy house in the really of the only way this

thing was gonna worse.

So that was a that was a blessing at the time too, you know, until we get into

Oh, eight. When we wanted to sell this same in the housing crisis And then we went through all the other theories

disaster was spoke. But we don't think was not our thing back in the you know, two thousand and six

two thousand and eight.

But we moved, and we we had a beautiful home on the bio. I actually was just joking with someone not

before we got on this call about seeing alligators every day and that never getting old, you know?

So life was good. You know, we were we were doing what we felt like we were called to do. There was challenges

tough stuff, but there is also blessing in.


Juliet Hahn  00:37:06 

Right. And also, you know, thinking about where you came from and

California, California and the south are also very different.

You know, maybe a similar climate but very different

values and and how people kind of do things. But

So, I mean, in the kids being five and two, so the oldest

Well, have... You know, had memories, like, you know, okay. This is interesting, but I'm watch

mom and dad kinda do this and grow something. And as you said, there's some excitement, which is

you know, always... It's fun for kids to see. Like, this is, like good stuff.

So how long were you guys there?

I I... I mean, I think you said you sold in two thousand and eight. What kind of

took you away from that.


Clint Hatton  00:37:45 

Yeah. So

part of this story and how we ended up there. My

my senior associate pastor at the time of the church when we were still here in Dallas.

Who was really my mentor.

He was not so thrilled when he found out that I had to suggestion


Juliet Hahn  00:38:03 



Clint Hatton  00:38:02 

or had accepted rather a position.

Down Louisiana, and I had no idea that they had been working behind the scenes

find a role for me here. It wasn't a pastor, which you know, I wasn't driven to be a pastor.

But I just didn't know any of that until I had already committed it.

So I left that behind. And, honestly, we were good with that.

We we knew we were supposed to go to the Louisiana.

But after a couple of years, what ended am happening was he ended up

taking over a church in Seattle Washington or near Seattle.

That was part of the family of the Church Dallas.

It was autonomous, but they were related. And so

he took that over and a couple months into that, which was, you know, latter part of two thousands


Assets if we would just come in

you know. And so we did we took our own time vacation time we wouldn't visit

and we just all felt like, wow we're supposed to be here with you now.

You know, this is like a dream come true.

To help them build something because they were our mentors, You know?

So we even have doing, you know, everything right he contacted

the pastors and founders of the church we are part of and had a great conversation

just said, listen, these are our you know, spiritual kids, if you will.

And so keep them as long need them, but let's start moving towards

you know, helping find your replacement. So we did that we were there for a little while.

Waiting for them to, you know, make sure that they are in good shape. We didn't leave them cold.

And so they end up hiring who they wanted to hire. And next thing you knew, we were

on our way to Seattle with this is the the crazy part that's where do it. So

you know, the time of the year now, how does aren't really selling right this minute.

So we just packed everything we could into our suitcases.


Juliet Hahn  00:39:43 



Clint Hatton  00:39:43 

And moved to Seattle, leaving the house.

Staged all the kids extra toy. Everything was there.

Hoping that we could somehow sell that house in the next couple of months.

And that didn't happen. In a be

you're... You know, being almost two years later, actually, that we finally actually

was able to short sale that house. So it was a


Juliet Hahn  00:40:03 



Clint Hatton  00:40:04 

told disaster. But we ended up in Seattle under that premise.


Juliet Hahn  00:40:06 

Right. And so now with the kids still five and two or now

this, like, a little bit more


Clint Hatton  00:40:11 

Just a couple years. So now we're talking probably seven and four

But this is when shortly asked, we'd only been there for maybe

about a year.

You know, we were done. I know, you know, you guys have never been through as far of it, but we had the first two

And, you know, we have suffered through a missed miscarriage in between Gabriel and Joel,

she has not responded well of pregnancy ever. You know, Gabriel was


three weeks twelve excuse me, six weeks early.


Juliet Hahn  00:40:38 



Clint Hatton  00:40:41 

About three pounds six ounces because she got severe pre cl.

When Jill came along,

key went full term. We escaped that, but then

after she was trying to... Well, actually, when she was trying to go into

deliver him because she was stuck at two, like, twelve hours trying to do natural delivery.

The wasn't working.

They didn't know what they were gonna do. Eventually, it finally took, but then when

Joel was delivered. I was in there with the room with her, and

I mean, with him and and, you know, he's healthy and

I'm side next, they pulled me into the room.

They actually wanted my help. She wasn't coming out of the anesthesia.


Juliet Hahn  00:41:16 



Clint Hatton  00:41:19 

So that went on for several hours. It was very scary, You know, everybody

had that doctors are obviously very professional but everybody had that look concerned that this is not

going well.


Juliet Hahn  00:41:27 




Clint Hatton  00:41:29 

So after that, we were done. Yes like we're done.

Good choose the even number we're done. You know?

But about a year into living in Louisiana, I... You know, I can see it.



Juliet Hahn  00:41:42 

Yeah. Well, what


Clint Hatton  00:41:42 

picking up babies and know.


Juliet Hahn  00:41:46 

Yeah. When babies get to a certain age, I mean, it's really funny because we have three and they're


Clint Hatton  00:41:50 



Juliet Hahn  00:41:50 

all two years apart, a little less than tears years apart. The last two or, like,

a little, like, you know, two months older than two years apart, whatever.

But I

Like I I wanna always wanted it to be a mom. Guy, you know, I knew I wanted to say home with the kids. I

babies app from a very young age. I love children, especially babies.

And so I remember, and I was our delivery

was not great. We got pregnant right away. We were very fortunate, but then

complicated. Like, I was late with every single one and I had emergency Vegetarian for

you know, the first, and I had a crazy recovery and

you know, the second was a little bit better, but the doctors were like, it's really not

I'm my but wasn't the first So it's definitely be hundred because of this. Third was better.

But even when I was pregnant, I was not a nice person.

And it's so crazy because I'm a... I and I'm not judy moment. I'm a pretty nice person of a pretty

you, I have a lot of energy good disposition. I'm a kind person when I was pregnant,

like, all of a sudden that my husband be, like, I think you're pregnant. And I'd be like,


Clint Hatton  00:42:50 



Juliet Hahn  00:42:48 

Oh you let me go take that. Because I just became... People when I'm my first

I stayed home after the first, but, like, when I was pregnant, I was obviously... With the first, I was working.

And I remember them being like, you just became like,

scary. I just became really short. Had no patience for anything or anyone.

Move a grill pain. So when we were... He was... My husband's a little bit older than me.

Not much, like, four years, But I remember saying, like, let's

Let's do, like, after, like, literally the our daughter came. And I was, like,

Okay. I could do this again. This is amazing. And he's like,


Clint Hatton  00:43:17 

Oh my god


Juliet Hahn  00:43:19 

No. No. No No. So then we ended up we have two dogs.

But I remember at that age, like, when they became, like, neither seven months

to a year. It went I'm not at seven months. Like, I

year to two years. It was like, oh, I missed


Clint Hatton  00:43:33 



Juliet Hahn  00:43:34 

like, that newborn like baby. And so

it's just something inside. I think some people, like, so I have had friends that were like, oh, hated that stage.

It's like, the worst I love when they're, like, you know, twelve and thirteen or you know whatever?

So it's is very interesting. So she you could feel that she was like,

Hold in the babies I'm, like, oh, I really. I don't know if I'm done.


Clint Hatton  00:43:53 

Oh, totally. Yeah. I mean, in tour credit, you know,

I was lucky she did. She did not turn me. Did she pregnant it?

To broke a lot of stuff. You know, when she's start breaking things, you know, glass dishes issues. I'm like, oh,


Juliet Hahn  00:44:03 




Clint Hatton  00:44:06 

you need go keep... We go get this day thumbs up. You know, But

anyway, So what what have I'm watching? You know, and she didn't really

she didn't push it. She didn't really, you know, much say anything about it.

But you could just see it. And so we ended up eventually having a conversation and in my

my heart kinda softened to the idea.

So we decided to, you know,

see what happens. We'll try for the girl. Right? We got two boys.

Whatever that looks like, guys. So don't know how you try for that. We're gonna try for girl.

And so that didn't work either. We didn't we didn't create another


Juliet Hahn  00:44:36 



Clint Hatton  00:44:39 

girl we create a boy, but what happened was for six months? You know, seemed like,

and you're going pretty good. You know, I mean, she's has the normal sickness

you get in morning sickness and stuff like that. But nothing serious. And then

quite literally.

I'm I'm leaving one morning because all this time has went on.

In our house in Louisiana is just not bud. And we live there now

over year with nothing more than what we had put in the suitcase.


Juliet Hahn  00:45:00 



Clint Hatton  00:45:03 

And so we decided we're gonna... I'm gonna go down. We're gonna load

I'm gonna work with movers, load the house up. We're gonna leave

a place up here and we're at least gonna normalize our life

and whatever happens with the house happens with house. So literally, I'm

leaving the front door to jump on a flight.

From Washington to Louisiana, and she's like, you know,

I don't feel the best today, but I'm okay. I'm like, okay. Okay. I'll, call you when I get there.

So Juliet, that's like that. You can't fly directly using those days from Seattle to

oh, to Nolan. So it took me about eight nine hours of travel time to actually

land there. So by the time I got there, it was

early evening.

I get in my rental car. I start driving. I call her and I said, how are you doing? She goes

things have really turned bad.


Juliet Hahn  00:45:50 



Clint Hatton  00:45:51 

She was already at a hospital.

Her blood pressure had skyrocketed to. And I don't remember the exact numbers that it was like,

two twenty over a hundred something. I mean, it was just really bad.

And she's telling me

they think they wanna take me to this special hospital with an Unit.

Then I may have to get birth to tonight, and I'm just like, oh my. You gotta be freaking kidding me, you know?


Juliet Hahn  00:46:13 



Clint Hatton  00:46:13 

Your. Doesn't landed. You know? So

literally, I drove to a Walmart on the way to our house

down there to just grab some quick supplies.

Told I would call her when I got there. And by the time I arrived to the house,

things have gotten even worse and they were definitely gonna transporter her

they were planning on giving her a a steroid shot, which was really

more for

put up being liam, than her because now, you know, she's

only twenty seven weeks.

You know,


Juliet Hahn  00:46:39 



Clint Hatton  00:46:43 

So, ultimately, I was in Louis and until seventy and the next morning.

I arrived at, like, seven o'clock and now, and was on a flight in seven Am.

Took me all day to get back that I got back in time.

The st shot did its job it bought us forty eight hours.

And so that's really so... The... You know, because obviously, twenty seven weeks, you're not really

and it we're close to fully develop the rate to come out of the wound, but that gives you a better


Juliet Hahn  00:47:07 



Clint Hatton  00:47:07 

shock with your lungs in your heart. So

I get back and about a day after I get back, they're, like,

it's time because by then, she had slipped into full blown help


is what it's called. And so that's when literally your major organs are beginning to

shut down and

if they don't take the favor you're gonna die. And, of course, the baby could die too.

So they shuffle us into a room and

you know, it was just... I was actually at the the head. They had a screenshot and see. You know, those

the hard stuff going on with the way they were trying to get him out.

Stuff Music was just an nightmare. You stuck I can get him out.


Juliet Hahn  00:47:44 



Clint Hatton  00:47:45 

Out this baby and, you know, he was one pound fourteen ounces.


Juliet Hahn  00:47:48 



Clint Hatton  00:47:50 

So it just it just look like this

little alien. I mean to be, you know,



Juliet Hahn  00:47:55 

Now totally,



Clint Hatton  00:47:57 

like it doesn't look like a baby baby. You know?

And so they throw me into the specially unit where they put him in this

special cocoon, start hooking up, you know, all the different devices he was gonna need to survive. And

you know, had to leave her in their hands. So it was pretty dramatic.

Pretty dramatic. And this is


Juliet Hahn  00:48:14 



Clint Hatton  00:48:16 

kinda began our journey of, you know, having our third child, but

and on how far we wanna go with the story, obviously, you know, he's thirteen now, he's done really well. He's

black belt Martial artists. You know, he's tough in the nail.

You know, that worked out for us, but these are all stories. You know, that

ultimately, I think, lay a foundation for at least in some ways to be able to handle what we face



Juliet Hahn  00:48:37 

Well, I mean, that that's the thing I was just literally thinking. I actually can really talk

for about five hours. And I know in the beginning of this, you know, show, I had said,

you know, what you guys have created out of tragedy, and I'm sure people are thinking that

this was the tragedy, and it's not as you just said,

you know, Liam is a healthy thirteen year old boy. So you guys

or now though and you know, I we don't need to go into this part.

But people know when you have a baby and Nick you. I mean, the

you're in there you don't you can't bond. There's I mean, so many different things.


Clint Hatton  00:49:11 



Juliet Hahn  00:49:11 

That you guys had to go through. Your wife had to go through as, you know,

as her hormones are leaving, and that's you know, tough. I've had friends that this has happened to.

And it's really, you know, like when your breast milk is coming in and you

there's so much stuff that your body prepares you as a mom, and then

for it to be taken early. Your body just goes through in your mind, everything just really

go... So I mean, remarkable that your wife, you know,

it obviously came on out on the... The right side, but

thing that one question I do wanna ask is I mean,

when this is all going on, you now have also

you're older too. So how old are they? When


Clint Hatton  00:49:49 

Yeah. Yeah.

So at that point, let's see.

Gabriel had to have been

of about eight years old,

and Joel would have been about five


Juliet Hahn  00:49:59 



Clint Hatton  00:50:02 

So and actually, let me add you based on what you just said because there's so many layers even to this story.

This was also during the h1 one in one

virus, which we don't remember that quite as well just because of how devastated

in Code was. But the rules, everything was pretty much same. So for

two and a half month


Juliet Hahn  00:50:19 



Clint Hatton  00:50:21 

every single day, we had to go down well we didn't have to, but we

obviously wanted you to go see him.

But we were the only two. No. The boys couldn't medium him. The

grandparents, and uncles, nobody but the two of us

could even see him for two and a half months if he was in the Knee.

So there were many times that Gabriel and Joel

literally, we, you know, go down there with them, and they sit in the

the waiting area and, you know, just sit and try to

keep them themselves was occupied while we went visit with Liam for a couple of hours and

delivered milk, and that's a whole other issue, you know, because as you said, her bottle,


Juliet Hahn  00:50:56 



Clint Hatton  00:50:58 

producing, like it would if it had been longer

So there was a... You know, there was a myriad of challenges that went along with that.


Juliet Hahn  00:51:05 

Right. I mean, and and as we... You know, anyone that's joining just now,

We have Chris Hat on. He is the author of big bull brave. You

can confined his website, big bold dot us. You can also find them in all the social

Clinton has had did I say Chris?

No. I said clint


Clint Hatton  00:51:23 

Oh, don't worry. Creative gland that happens all



Juliet Hahn  00:51:25 

No. But did I... No. But also sudden I was like, wait.

Did I say Chris? Or did I say clint?


Clint Hatton  00:51:30 

Wait chris One time, And it's okay. I knew you're gonna correct.


Juliet Hahn  00:51:31 

Oh yeah. Sorry. Yeah. No. I was like, wait a second.

As I came out. But so Clint has had

I mean, you've lived

kind of for about fifteen people.

I mean, from where you were as a child, parents and divorced than your drug use until

thirty. I mean, in new first marriage, meeting your wife,

finding god

you know, going to a ministry down after Katrina. I mean, there's so many different

things when someone puts this out, and this is why story really connected

go there gonna be people that are listening into to the story that are gonna connect with different parts.

And I oh... You know, I'll have people with client's podcast gas that will say

my story is really not that big of a deal because of

you know, they'll hear some of the story like yourself and they're were like, wow. I mean, I've just

you know I had the... Like, a little thing over here, but it doesn't matter how big someone's

story is. And I I love the big bold brave because I think that's not just

for the tragedy that happens in your life, but I think that you've kind of lived a big bold

brave life, your entire life, and and then bringing your wife into it as well.

I think it's really important for people to hear and also understand that just because

their story is not as tragic or they haven't had as many layers.

Right? There's the layers part doesn't mean significant.

It it it happened to you, and that is important because what happens to you shaped you

to be a certain person. So, you know,

clint I it it is you have had so many liars. And we haven't even gotten to

you know what really kinda connected us as well.




Clint Hatton  00:53:05 

I one thing to got Juliet, you know, because I'm roger said that, you know,

people may think that sounds strange, but

that's how we saw myself too, really?

You know, I I know they're... I'm gonna... I mean, when I sit back and I think but if I write a list,


Juliet Hahn  00:53:20 



Clint Hatton  00:53:20 

wow. That looks like a lot. You know? But I don't deal that way.

You know, over the years. I didn't see myself and this person who's

been through all this stuff and all you know, had all these

either just really difficult challenges or in some cases and tragedy,

it really wasn't until, you know, more where we are today that

in in my search to help people, and we don't have to go there yet. But

Just realized, you know, gosh, you know? I again, I really do have a lot of different


that I could really have empathy and compassion for people and be able to help them. But

I'm only saying that right now because

Yeah. Comparing the stories is such a bad idea.


Juliet Hahn  00:53:59 



Clint Hatton  00:54:00 

There's nothing can you don't need to compare it to anything. I hear all time of people

story and I take, oh my gosh. I haven't been through anything.

You know.


Juliet Hahn  00:54:03 


Right? But that's what I mean, again, you know, universe guide,

God was preparing you for

you know, what happens later in your life?

Because if you didn't have some of the other challenges,

and and this was just my opinion. But, you know, And I think when people

if something really tragic happens, and they've never had

anything happened in their life, it takes them down

And again, this was just my my opinion, I just feel like it

takes them down

And I don't wanna say more because that's not. I I'm not saying that you... You know,

haven't been taken down and suffered. But I just think that

it is it is different. And so I do wanna touch on. So when

your youngest was in the nick

you did you have any of those experiences where it was like,

we don't know if he's gonna make it. Like, how many times did that happen? Or... I mean, I'm

sure. He was born at one pound. So


Clint Hatton  00:54:59 



Juliet Hahn  00:55:01 

If you can take us through that a little bit,


Clint Hatton  00:55:02 

Yeah. Well, really too me account, and I I don't say that for the sake of being


Juliet Hahn  00:55:06 

No. Right.


Clint Hatton  00:55:07 

matt. It's just anybody who gaining this

you know, they hook up, you know, all the different devices because what's

happening at twenty seven weeks and up until, you know, your

another couple months down the road.

Their brain

is still learning to communicate with all of the major organs

So one of the scariest things that happens is something that

there's a... They shortened it by calling it a Brady episode.

There's a medical term for. I won't try to

pronounced. But a brady episode is just simply when

the devices they have hooked up

take up on the fact that they're forgetting to breathe.


Juliet Hahn  00:55:41 



Clint Hatton  00:55:43 

Like, literally

their body just doesn't even know to breathe because there's not that constant connection between the brain and lungs.


Juliet Hahn  00:55:51 



Clint Hatton  00:55:50 

And so what happens is is this bell will start going on.

You know? And and back in those reason I used to call them belt

hell because, you know, every time that thing went off, which was several times a day every day,


Juliet Hahn  00:56:00 



Clint Hatton  00:56:02 

And then, of course, this is a huge knee unit as well.

So it was it was actually the biggest one the state of washington

which was good in some ways because they were set up

for it.

But you also had, like, fifty other of these

you know, cubicle around the

spade. And so you could hear other people's bells going off too. So, you know, it was really stressful.


Juliet Hahn  00:56:22 



Clint Hatton  00:56:23 

But that bell would start going off and you're just like, okay. Come on. Come on. Come on.

And I don't remember, you know, how long

you could let the bell go. It seems like, way too long But


Juliet Hahn  00:56:32 



Clint Hatton  00:56:35 

but it happen to if if he did self correct,

within a pretty short amount of time, then a nurse would come over

and it would not him through plastic gloves, you know, too He was in a

isolate contained the entire time.


trying to browse him. And, of course, you know, he did. But, yeah, it was... It was

frightening every single time that pulling went off, and there's always something in to back your head

is this

is that, you know,


Juliet Hahn  00:56:59 

Right. And, you know, and I have to say. This felt so random.

But I bb.

When I was twelve, eleven, twelve thirteen around there,

our neighbors were two twins, and they were prem.

And they came home with that bell. This was I mean, they're in their thirties now.

They came home with that bell. And I remember my

family lived joined across the street. The mom, and I mean, they had just gone through this

or ordeal. Right? They exhausted. They just wanted have one night out, and they're like, they're strong enough.


Clint Hatton  00:57:28 



Juliet Hahn  00:57:29 

But if that ballot goes off, you need to really. And it was Alexander, really,

that was the one that was a little weaker. And I just remember I was telling someone that

destroyer or our head fit in my hand and they were like, wait pounds for you. And I was like,

now listen. I I have a lot of siblings. I was really good with kids. My mom was literally right across the


But, you know, these these these parents were, like, we just need a night out. We just need a night out. We trust

you're gonna do it, But I remember I talk about that bell. And

and I don't recall if it ever went out. I feel like it did go off because I remember

being, like, you know, a kid being like, I'm just... I'm not gonna even sit down. I'm just gonna share at these little these little


Clint Hatton  00:58:03 

Yeah. Yeah.


Juliet Hahn  00:58:04 

little bird. I used to call them little birds, and I'd would be like, I'm gonna call them. You know,

And if it went off, I would be like, okay.

I mean, and so this is, obviously, they were in the Nicu for

month and months months, They were strong enough to go home but they still had those ballots

so I remember those bells. But being parent, I never had


you know, go through that. So I mean, you guys went through that

when did he come home? And if you can take us through that story before we then, you know, continue on,


Clint Hatton  00:58:32 

Yeah. So so that goes on for quite a while, and so it was about two and a half months

later, he needed to get to... Oh my memory fills me a little bit. It was like,


Juliet Hahn  00:58:43 



Clint Hatton  00:58:41 

four, five pounds. So was still very small, but there was there was a marker that he had to reach

he finally did

And then we also... Just like you describing they at home with the device to to

monster with a bell. I don't remember him having it once we went

home because

he had pretty much stopped doing it by the time they sent his own.

But I do remember taking home in hoping that


Juliet Hahn  00:59:02 



Clint Hatton  00:59:05 

know now now we're at the house where a certain five minute drive in the hospital, this thing better not go off. Right?


Juliet Hahn  00:59:08 



Clint Hatton  00:59:11 

You know, we went through that. And so my band, of course,

Joel and Gabriel meet him for the first time. So that was exciting.

But at the same time, you know, it was just... It was really tough. And so


Juliet Hahn  00:59:21 

And exhausting. I'm sure you guys were probably exhausted.


Clint Hatton  00:59:24 

Yeah. We were and, you know, this is a

not really a rabbit trail, but, you know, this was just kind of our life at that time, You know?

I had taken on other roles as well. So I was gonna to using you adults pastor, you know, a

at some point in time during the seven years that we were in Washington and most of this was after Liam.

I led pretty much every department

except for accounting at some point, You know? So there was all this responsibility to and you

guilty you because, you know, obviously, your priority is to your to bride and your baby and

at same time, you know, I don't want everybody down. And so

we were kind of dealing with all that stuff. And Emeralds really couldn't help. I mean, all she could do

at that time, was recover and and, you know, nurture liam, the best she could

so that was all going on. You know, I actually

...we only need talking about the book right now, of course, But in the book I actually talk about

collaboration because what ended up happening during that, that was kinda of beautiful, and I think it's

speaks you even in a family.

What you're alluding to that I think is true that there were things that

helped us develop some muscles for


Juliet Hahn  01:00:25 



Clint Hatton  01:00:29 

even harder things.

I realized that

Okay. I'm a bit of a control for equal certain things.

I need to just release my my team

to just run with things not have to, you know, bypass so many things off of me.

Need to collaborate on a greater level than we ever had. I need to just trust

so all that was mixed up in this too.

And that ended up changing my life.


Juliet Hahn  01:00:51 



Clint Hatton  01:00:54 

Because by the time we got to where we really could come back,

which was you know, a few months.

Before I could really come back into my role and truly

have this full capacity again.

I no longer need to do any of those things because the leaders that we had, which were all like young

old age.

Would just kill?

And, frankly, they didn't need me to do a lot of time more I

thought I had to do

And so that even became true with, you know, Gabriel and Joel, even though they were pretty young.

They were doing stuff around the house and helping and mommy me out and

you know, we worked more as a team to kinda get through it.

So even though it was a hard time, it was

it was pivotal, and it was really something that I think

you know, in the long term, helped us tremendously as a

family unit be able to handle the gut punches alive.


Juliet Hahn  01:01:42 

Right. Which I think is really true.

So... Okay. So he comes home. You guys in Seattle one

did you then move back to Texas?


Clint Hatton  01:01:52 



Juliet Hahn  01:01:52 

And so I know that there's gonna be, like, a a space because we're gonna go from when they're, like, ten

to then, you know, how you created just, you know, your whole coaching and


Clint Hatton  01:01:58 



Juliet Hahn  01:02:01 

in your buck.


Clint Hatton  01:02:02 

Well, so They did really well, you know, for two years, while we were still there because

we had him. We were there for almost another six years, like, five six years.

They had always predicted. You know, doctors saying this could happen that

to happen, We had to go meet with a doctor, like, every actually four doctors

on a regular basis for, like, two years.


Juliet Hahn  01:02:21 



Clint Hatton  01:02:23 

Aged everything never had any kind of the cognitive

speech issues in that kind. So life was really pretty stable

for several years there. Ultimately, what it have how

Julia so we out there for seven years. Now you

your listeners already know now. I'm from Sunny Southern California.

We years here in very Sunny, Texas and sunny, Louisiana,

and my wife is Puerto Rican. She was born in Puerto Rico. Didn't move to Florida until

she was twelve, and then she was in Florida. So the gray


Juliet Hahn  01:02:53 



Clint Hatton  01:02:54 

gray. And missed

just begins, like, water treatment to us. Right?


Juliet Hahn  01:03:00 

You're right.


Clint Hatton  01:03:02 


And... So that honestly was

a huge part in us just designed that you know what? Plus

all of our family, you know, really was between Texas and Florida.

You... We still have beautiful friendships who day in watching, but we just felt like we wanna go back. So

we had a lot of conversations with the pastors that we were

for over the course of months, just again, make sure that this is the right decision at the right time.

And, ultimately, we came to that conclusion. And so we moved

again, blind thesis, is another one of those

didn't have a promise of anything coming back here to

to where we live here in Mexican Texas, which is just outside of Dallas.

But we we knew we wanted to make that move. And so we did. And

So you'll laugh at this. You know, because by now, we've got three kids. Right? And I'm

I think

Not quite fifty yet, but I'm getting close to fifty at that point.

So we had to move on with parents for two and half months.

And when, you know, now they

my my father lives is a of pretty high level pain management

runs a very large facility, so bitter

they're you know, financially very well often So space wasn't the issue. They had tons

have big house. But you don't

my your late forties with three kids to move back home. It's just

not really on anybody

goal radar alright. And so that went on like,

two and a half months. We really thought, like, with our experience and with our old church

which now had spread out over five different cities


Juliet Hahn  01:04:36 



Clint Hatton  01:04:32 

that something was gonna have really quick and and it didn't happen that way.

And so we we've spent two and a half months

kids going to, you know, new schools and

it our my father mother more amazing people.

We're very, very fortunate. So we do have a good relationship

but it's still created stress.

Feel crazy


Juliet Hahn  01:04:55 

Right. Totally. And I mean, just... I mean, it's, again, it's the unknown

but also, I think about what a great experience

for your kids and the grandparents.

Right? They get to be together in this really wonderful kind of time

which, you know,


Clint Hatton  01:05:10 

maybe both be much.


Juliet Hahn  01:05:11 



Clint Hatton  01:05:14 

You're you are right. It was beautiful, but then it was just

I mean, liam little Joel is so pretty little A lot of energy. It was a lot for them to change.


Juliet Hahn  01:05:20 

For them. Right. Right. Right. Right. Three boys. I mean, And I'm gonna people

obviously say boys, my daughter was

I think more active than even the boys are. So I I hate that stereotype, but if you have an

doesn't matter if there a boy or girl. Yes.

Generally girls sit in color. None of my kids did. I didn't... We were not that type of family we

up and moving. So we were always running up and down the hallway

you know, running this way, jumping on here, jumping there. So right

was a lot of energy for your for your end laws.


Clint Hatton  01:05:48 

Absolutely. Yeah. And for us, you know, you want to break anything and just all that stuff.


Juliet Hahn  01:05:51 

Right. Donut.


Clint Hatton  01:05:53 

So But, you know, couple months go by and eventually, you know, things that the doors

open up for us to actually go on staff.

Back with the church that we were originally just a part of

here in Dallas only at their Mexican campus, which is right where we wanted to live.

So, ultimately, those things work out.

And so we started a new journey, you know, here.


So that journey, I know, went on for about five years.


you know, the boys were doing well, They were thriving. It was during the a time.

That my oldest on Gabriel, his passion for aviation really began to kick in.

You know, I think he was about eight when he went up

in a plane with his uncle Danny for the first time, You know, He just

it was like, you know, I'll hear this way, but I've gotta have my morning coffee.

I mean, it's like...


Juliet Hahn  01:06:36 


Right. Right.


Clint Hatton  01:06:39 

That's that's my math now. You know? That that mean it's like. You know?


Juliet Hahn  01:06:44 



Clint Hatton  01:06:43 

And that's kinda how it was you know, you went up that one time. I was like, I've gotta do this


Juliet Hahn  01:06:48 



Clint Hatton  01:06:48 

you know, go that with all happening during this time too.


Juliet Hahn  01:06:53 



Clint Hatton  01:06:52 

And I don't know if we wanna jump in that part of the story yet, but ultimately


Juliet Hahn  01:06:57 



Clint Hatton  01:06:57 

you. So by now, you know, things are moving

going well. Again, life is pretty good, you know?

And everybody's healthy, Liam Wealthy Joel health Gabriel is helping.

So Gabriel starts high school and at fourteen,

he enters an aviation program. He's a night. Now that's pretty unusual. There's

really only a couple of school districts

in the country that have the four year


Juliet Hahn  01:07:21 



Clint Hatton  01:07:22 

aviation educational program.

Again, this is other one of the things we're feeling like,

Oh my gosh.

How fortunate are we you know, how blessed are we the this

this workout, you know, and for us, God knew this and this is amazing.

That same year, he joined

and aviation club. It was called Tango thirty one Aero club.

That's simply a little small club that was

created by a guy who

you know, has been the aviation industry for decades. It's kind of salty

Oh, guy. Love the death.


Juliet Hahn  01:07:54 



Clint Hatton  01:07:55 

Some of your listeners actually may know who he is because he's not clean famous and


Juliet Hahn  01:07:59 

Yeah. He just he's clapping down the in the audience here.

What one of those nurses and I gotta get close.

And I'm sorry if I pronounce your name Wrong Rad, he's... He's clapping. So he's

I think he knows


Clint Hatton  01:08:12 

You may know where this is going. So his his name is Kevin Lacey.

And where your listeners may be familiar with him as he was one of the stars of airplane

bow, which it a show that ran on, I know discovery channel I wanna say was on something else as well. So he's

pretty well known, but you want health kid.

You wanna to help He... He always had to work for everything so he wanted help teenagers

dream and and become pilot or aircraft maintenance if that's what they wanna to do.


Juliet Hahn  01:08:35 



Clint Hatton  01:08:37 

So same thing. This freshman here, another just amazing opportunity opens up Right?



absolutely cert you wants to be a pilot.

So we begin that everything's good.

And then by the time sixteen, now he's

you you have to earn air airtime with tango

excuse me thirty one through Sweat equity.

So they're literally doing well change

and eventually, I had they get more skilled, they're doing, you know, engine maintenance and

they've had new planes brought in and pieces and putting planes together. I mean, it was really an amazing thing.


Juliet Hahn  01:09:10 

Yeah. Really?


Clint Hatton  01:09:13 

He was one of the founders of it, you know, one of the founding members of it, so he became a leader

And so you got opportunities to start going up with

a, you know, slight instructor. Which was a totally free. Totally free, by the way.

Kevin set this thing up to her we literally paid fifty dollars a year and yet,

free flight instructing. They got their fuel for

wholesale cost. And it was just incredible


Juliet Hahn  01:09:34 



Clint Hatton  01:09:37 

blessing. Right? Opportunities.


Juliet Hahn  01:09:37 



Clint Hatton  01:09:39 

So he's sixteen

got skilled enough before he even had his driver's license he solo.


Juliet Hahn  01:09:43 



Clint Hatton  01:09:46 

Which I remember we both there, We're filming it, you know,

because we're probably start talking about fear now right? There's

there's fear layered into different parts of my story that had overcome.

He gets in the plane. He takes off for the first time by himself.

And I mean, you know, it's kinda like, you know, one of your kids using app

if you're an athlete or whatever. You know, you got that nervous energy, but you're just

so excited because you just think something great about to happen. You know?

So he get it up there, and I'm just thinking, man. This is amazing.

And then it hits you


Juliet Hahn  01:10:19 



Clint Hatton  01:10:17 

he has to land the effect. You know?

You know never excitement shipping to, like, almost terror, like,

Oh my gosh. And what have we done? You know, you're gonna have to land thing.

And so it was kind of scary too

his very first landing comes down and just... As he like to say,


Juliet Hahn  01:10:32 



Clint Hatton  01:10:35 

like butter. He just landed smoothly. You know? So he was on his way.

He was on his way.

And doing really well by the time he was seventeen, so, you know, here in the days,

you cannot earn a private pilot line certificate. So you're seventeen years old.

So he had to wait till he was seventeen, studied the exam, you know, the book, but he's ever

seen it. It's like

our old phone books back in the day in La, that were about eight inches thick, you know,

and he passes a test first time out.


Juliet Hahn  01:11:02 



Clint Hatton  01:11:04 

And went the written, and then he takes the check right, which is probably the most

intense in terms of just nerves.


He becomes a pilot.


Juliet Hahn  01:11:13 

So I mean,

Yeah. I mean, it it had to been such, like,

you know, for you to have really struggle to find yourself into you're in your thirties

to be like, wow.

This is pretty remarkable that my kid, you know, and also feeling good about yourself.

Like these are the roots that I've given him. He's seen us travel around. He's seen us

you know, find different things be in different states. I've given him those opportunities

you know, your wife and you've given them those opportunities and to be so, like,


Clint Hatton  01:11:39 



Juliet Hahn  01:11:41 

this is what I wanna do had to been a very

like, as a parent, like,

Oh my god. I'm really proud. I'm proud of him, but, oh, a little proud of myself that, like,


Clint Hatton  01:11:50 



Juliet Hahn  01:11:52 

I've helped him kinda nurture this.


Clint Hatton  01:11:53 

You'll probably relate to this. I was mostly pride and breaking



Juliet Hahn  01:11:57 

Right. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. Yeah.


Clint Hatton  01:12:01 

There's a a lot of it, you know, Juliet, not to discount. You know, we... I feel like we

definitely had done some good things with our kids, and we've always

top into dream big and all those things for sure. But I really felt like, you know with him. He just

he was such a unique personality. I mean,

even from very early on four or five years old, his communication skills were incredibly

wrong, like, too strong.


Juliet Hahn  01:12:21 



Clint Hatton  01:12:23 

Like, you know, when you got... It's one thing once they're

and they think they know everything, and they can

with only five or six. Yep. That's sound. What


Juliet Hahn  01:12:32 



Clint Hatton  01:12:34 

what what do you think? So we had some of that, you know,

always thought you would be a Ceo because she had to be in charge of everything, like,

we just knew... He's never gonna be able to work for anybody yeah. And then


Juliet Hahn  01:12:46 



Clint Hatton  01:12:46 

The other thing was a lawyer. Right? Because he'd loved to argue, and fact didn't

totally getting the way.


Juliet Hahn  01:12:56 

Oh, I think we lost we lost you giant.


Clint Hatton  01:13:01 

That I so admire even now and his dad,

some that I didn't even fully appreciate to be totally honest with you while you was still with us.

He was just adventurous he attacked life. If you wanted do something, he


Juliet Hahn  01:13:13 



Clint Hatton  01:13:14 

he taught himself how to play guitar. You know, you wanna wanna

even know you've were doing it. When we're sitting in the living room, and I hear this.

I wish I could the song, like, led that one or, you know, somebody

I hear this guitar risk that, you know, familiar with.

Look at her. Like, did you hear that?

Yeah. That sounds live. I'm like, it did. This we go to his rhythm.

And he's in their jam and on this like like,

When did you like get talk back though?


Juliet Hahn  01:13:39 

Right. That's so cool.


Clint Hatton  01:13:40 

Well, you'll laugh this because this our kids today. Like, there's so much

I don't know. May I'm not gonna over generalize everybody on

there's so much brave and more intentional than I wasn't that age. He's like, oh, yeah. Youtube.


Juliet Hahn  01:13:55 



Clint Hatton  01:13:53 

Like, how my jobs, you know,

So there is all


Juliet Hahn  01:13:56 

Well, so... Yeah. He had it. He definitely had a, like,


Clint Hatton  01:14:01 



Juliet Hahn  01:13:59 

forward thinking kind of entrepreneur, like, you know, which again,

because your background, you know, not really kind of finding yourself and

clean of drugs until you're thirty that just had to been also, like, a little bit of enough

like an, like, oh, this kid is fascinating. I'm fascinated I am.



Clint Hatton  01:14:15 



Juliet Hahn  01:14:18 

you know, he gets his pilot license he's seventeen.

How many times do would he go out by himself?

Like, we're were you guys always like, okay. I wanna be on the air field somewhere or, like, connect or like, with

was it like pure freedom?


Clint Hatton  01:14:28 

Yeah. We let it him be free.


Juliet Hahn  01:14:30 



Clint Hatton  01:14:32 

We let him be free. We'll the back just one tiny second. You know, I think

thing throughout the years that we did, especially when you start talking about my story I didn't hide that

for my kids.


Juliet Hahn  01:14:38 



Clint Hatton  01:14:42 

My boy know my story, you know every little detail of my story.

And so, you know, they were all aware of where

certain decisions could lead you that would be very positive, you know, things could lead you down different road and so

So he chose a lot a lot of good decisions. So I'm not so good, You know I like to drive too fast.


Juliet Hahn  01:14:57 

Is is


Clint Hatton  01:14:59 

But he did. He, you know, he he started flying and then once you starts solo at

point it's really just about hours. So he got license and he's just getting out

hours you do a well, you know, Kevin and

all the guys that kind surround that with the flight structures are just super impressed.

How well he's doing.

And so that ultimately leads us to

the night of September twenty third,

twenty nineteen. So by now, he's was about three months shy in the eighteen birthday.

Again, you know, it's all about the hour, so he had a mom of one of his best

friends reach out to him here in Kenny and say, hey, listen. Are you willing to take her to

Arkansas today because she was a attending University Arkansas, but

here in For of all things a funeral that weekend.

And she said, you know, can you take her out there so she can miss a lot less class

of course, he's all gone.


Juliet Hahn  01:15:48 



Clint Hatton  01:15:49 

It was it was gonna include night flying on the way back, which is, you know,

some what he was needing to train.

In and so that was very normal for a pilot.

So he did. He took her and

you know, figuring this they arrive safely.

And he dropped her off, said goodbye to a few other friends that were going to school there.

And then you jump back in the plane head at home,

He had just started brand new job the day before with a friend

and that friend's dad, he was loving it, you know, just

start he had just started taking some classes to you because he graduated


Juliet Hahn  01:16:23 



Clint Hatton  01:16:21 

year early. You know? Just... I mean, life was just everything was right there, Juliet. I mean, it's just

you live in the dream literally. And on the way back,

he got about twenty minutes

from Say Bill where took off and ran into the

The Nt is one who does the investigations on all

plane crashes, it would take us two painful years to get the report.

But what ended up happening was he encountered an unexpected weather system going through a mountain

this range there.

And he ended up losing his horizons. He suffered from what they call

facial orientation.


Juliet Hahn  01:16:52 



Clint Hatton  01:16:55 

Your listeners are familiar with that, even if they don't know the term.

Kobe Bryant Shrek


Juliet Hahn  01:17:00 



Clint Hatton  01:17:00 

globally famous. Right?

Exactly what happened to his pilot who had


Juliet Hahn  01:17:05 



Clint Hatton  01:17:06 

you know, decade of experience and a multi multimillion dollar aircraft

it can happen any anybody any time in it did.


Juliet Hahn  01:17:13 



Clint Hatton  01:17:12 

Any he any he crafts lost his life chasing his dream.


Juliet Hahn  01:17:17 

Now... Yeah. I mean,

You know, I have a seventeen year old. So I just

you know, again, all the life excuse me getting emotional, but all the life that you

had lived, you know, with almost losing the baby

and then, you know, almost living yourself, your mother, you know, like, so many different things.

And then now seeing this kid that is, you know, again,

we all make mistakes, but, like, living the dream and

I mean, being at the top of his his life, the top of his world,

and then his life being taken from him.

I can't even imagine, and I hope I never have to know... You know, I

I I hope I never have to. But when did you guys find out?

Was he's supposed to be home at a certain time and, you know, he didn't

he didn't call in, and then you... You you kinda think well, what's going on? How did that


Clint Hatton  01:18:05 

Yeah. Let's


Juliet Hahn  01:18:05 



Clint Hatton  01:18:07 

Yeah Well, so what happened? And you know, Kevin is his mentor

tracks any of of any of the pilots because there's some other kid we're flying at that time as well.

So he tracks him on an ipad device.

So what happened was I'd actually went out to run some errands

don't even know what they were came back the house about eight o'clock.

In the evening of the twenty third and saw my wife on the phone and, you know,

there's something in innate in all this. Right?

When you just see your spouse or a relative or a friend or or whatever. And

you can just tell by the tone of their voice and their they're facial expression that... Oh my gosh. What

what's going on? You know?

So I I see this look our face and


you know, whispering. What


Juliet Hahn  01:18:48 



Clint Hatton  01:18:50 

and she ended up kind mouth. It's Kevin.

And so, you know,

who my my heart just trying stop because that was not normal.


Juliet Hahn  01:19:01 



Clint Hatton  01:19:01 

That was not

standard operating procedure.


Juliet Hahn  01:19:05 



Clint Hatton  01:19:05 

Half listening to, you know, her side of the call and

recommended at something Obviously, it happens when she hangs up

and he he went off the radar.


Could not track him. He was not answering his cell phone.

Now we would later find out

shortly after that he where he did crash within a very warm area that had

virtually no cell coverage. So

then a, you know, thirty minutes an hour, that wasn't necessarily


Juliet Hahn  01:19:35 



Clint Hatton  01:19:33 

the worst news. Like that did mean that he was not okay. You know?

Knew You went down somewhere and nobody knew where he was.


Juliet Hahn  01:19:39 

So when

because, you know, you hear people that have lost a loved one or something had happened.

That they have sometimes this

this this feeling

like, okay. No. This is a bad feeling and and or you know, something in

and did you guys have that feeling?


Clint Hatton  01:19:57 

Not early. And

you know, because you asked the question what you did, I'm gonna back up and give you a little bit of back

ground from that morning because it's it's something joy honestly, I still can't

totally wrapped my mind around of what it meant.


Juliet Hahn  01:20:07 



Clint Hatton  01:20:11 

But what happened the morning of this is long before he ever

you know, took off. I I used to walk a lot nowadays.

Before I started getting into, you know, back into weight lifting in here, so I'd walk like,

ten Was walking all time.

Well for a walk that morning. And as I was walking along, you know, we've all extreme

you can describe a different wage. You call it, you know, really

of a daydream dream or you can call a vision, whatever you wanna call it.

I was walking past a golf course, and all of a sudden, like,

you know, all my surroundings just disappeared

and I was just

in my imagination, if we could just say it that way,


Juliet Hahn  01:20:44 



Clint Hatton  01:20:45 

and team was playing through like it would injuring, but I'm walking.

And in this

state whatever it was.

I I'm running around my house. I'm back in my house. I'm running around the house.

Clearly in a panic

of some kind


I I round the front door and I go to get. We have a three close neighborhood

where we have very close relationships with our neighbors.

And I was running across the street to go find two of the ladies

that we live across street from

so that I could have them take Joel and Liam.

Because I had terrible news to give

and about Gabriel.


Juliet Hahn  01:21:22 



Clint Hatton  01:21:23 

Now in this, I didn't see anything about what's that

or even

Oh, it's fast the came Next and.

Aware my surroundings again, and I'm walking by the you

the golf course still I'm thinking well, that was really weird, You know?

And, you know, when something like that happens is Julia, I don't think


Juliet Hahn  01:21:46 



Clint Hatton  01:21:46 

too many parents are unique. We all have fearful thoughts. We all have crazy

dream or just randomly think about

so in a moment, I just saw it, Oh, no. No. Fear. You know,


Juliet Hahn  01:21:54 




Clint Hatton  01:21:57 

Am not going to give it

and I idea, I said I had a simple prayer. I remember doing that.

Of just protection over him and our family and, you know,


Juliet Hahn  01:22:07 

And did you know he was flying that day anyways? Like, so

could it have been, you know, sometimes if we know, you know,

and I and I do this and I hate, sometimes that they do this, but, like, if my husband or my kids are going somewhere,

I like, you know, we'll be like, oh okay. What if this happens? You know? And I and and then I have to push it away.


Clint Hatton  01:22:24 



Juliet Hahn  01:22:24 

Because I know that they're going on this journey. So you knew that he was going on this journey. Did you not?



Clint Hatton  01:22:29 

Well, he was flying almost every day.

So I don't remember if in that moment, I I remember... I wasn't thinking about

was gonna be in a plane crash. That was for sure. You know, I just


Juliet Hahn  01:22:36 



Clint Hatton  01:22:39 

Again, It didn't show me anything. But only reason I'm sharing that is because

that happen.

Just me


Juliet Hahn  01:22:43 



Clint Hatton  01:22:45 

And so fast forward so now, you know, we're

we're into the evening, we're about in maybe an hour into knowing that you went


and a series now again, Julia there's a very layered

story that went on for several hours, so I'm just gonna give you highlights or low lines.

But, ultimately, I I am in a

making a phone call to the sheriff department that was in charge of the search rescue because I wanna make a

personal contact with him.

So I did and they're telling me

there's no cell coverage. We cannot confirm anything

even though there was a news network for

fayetteville because we were tracking that on our on our phones.

I think it was a or Nbc local that had reported at least a craft

like, well, how they know about the crash. You know?


Juliet Hahn  01:23:30 



Clint Hatton  01:23:31 

They're like, we can't tell anything. Okay.


an hour or two goes by.

And, you know, we're doing everything that we know

to do at that point. So to answer your question, you know, we we were still holding out All hope.

That we just couldn't reach him.


Juliet Hahn  01:23:46 



Clint Hatton  01:23:47 

And then Uv be became case somehow. So we we prayed. We declared

scriptures. We turned on worship music. I mean, we did

all this stuff that, you know, if you call yourself a

person to say it that you feel like this is what I need to do. You know, we did all that stuff.

And really felt like

somehow some way,


Juliet Hahn  01:24:12 



Clint Hatton  01:24:09 

there's no freaking way our story can end with this or or have the

in it, you know, even though we've been through ourselves like, this can't happen.


Juliet Hahn  01:24:18 



Clint Hatton  01:24:19 

So we say, you know,

confident that that was not gonna be what happened. So


Juliet Hahn  01:24:24 

And how old and the boys



Clint Hatton  01:24:29 

Yeah. So now there Liam is nine Joel is fourteen.

So he now freshman in high school, and they asleep.

In their bedrooms and have no idea what's going on.


Juliet Hahn  01:24:36 

And and as

as brothers, are they, like, super super connected close or they, you know, just

normal and what was there? If you can just give us a little


Clint Hatton  01:24:46 



Juliet Hahn  01:24:49 

inside a narrow relationship.


Clint Hatton  01:24:50 

Yeah. Absolutely. So, you know, Gabriel And Joel are the

close they're only three years apart.

And they were


sibling mortal enemies


Juliet Hahn  01:25:05 



Clint Hatton  01:25:03 

until about six months before this night.

You know, they... I mean, they were just constantly fighting and gabriel of bull

them and, you know, all that stuff. But then, you know, about six months before you ever take

they actually took a trip. They would take an annual trip for spring break with

the grandparents the same ones that we live with for a little while.


Juliet Hahn  01:25:19 



Clint Hatton  01:25:22 

And they took this one trip where they went up into the mountains, they they own a cabin and

North Carolina.

They could drive at that time so they're driving achieve, and they became buddies.


Juliet Hahn  01:25:29 



Clint Hatton  01:25:32 

It's just... Their their relationship and

how that... The way they treat each other,

just dramatically exchange, like, over a weekend.


Juliet Hahn  01:25:40 

That's the amazing.


Clint Hatton  01:25:40 

So by the time this night happened, you know, they they were buddies.

They were bodies.


Juliet Hahn  01:25:45 



Clint Hatton  01:25:47 

Now, Liam, of course, you know, you would think you're younger than Gabriel, so they definitely had

a good relationship, but there was, you know, a a very different relationship


Juliet Hahn  01:25:52 

Very different. Yeah.


Clint Hatton  01:25:56 

very different and Gabriel by that time and, you know, as I've already described he's going to school. He's


Juliet Hahn  01:26:03 



Clint Hatton  01:26:01 

at the year airport of times that you in and out a lot Lean doesn't see him all the time.

That was a little bit different.


Juliet Hahn  01:26:07 

Right. Oh so right so they're sleeping, they have no idea.

And then when did you get the confirmation that, you know, he had passed?


Clint Hatton  01:26:14 

So if

it went on throughout the night and there was even nuances to that.

You know, because I I began seeing reports from the news that would

have just a little bit more information

I call the Washington state. County sheriff

back, and they would still say the same thing. We don't know how they're eating information. There's no cell coverage

of blah then about one

one thirty in the morning, Actually, not one am.

How we just... Again, looking at my phone, and I saw that the local

And again, I forgive me it was abc who are


Juliet Hahn  01:26:48 



Clint Hatton  01:26:49 

ported a

not just the crash.

But a single person's fatality


Juliet Hahn  01:26:52 


So that's how you found out.


Clint Hatton  01:26:57 

not not yet exactly.

Pausing because in this part he gets me.


Juliet Hahn  01:27:03 



Clint Hatton  01:27:04 

In my heart.


Like you can

only imagine unless you've been through it.

And I'm sitting right next to Am on the couch we were on the couch at that time.

And it was in that moment. The reason my applause for a moment is in that moment that I remember this crazy thing.

Earlier in the morning.


Juliet Hahn  01:27:19 

No. Right.


Clint Hatton  01:27:21 

Well, I remember thinking Julia thank you?


Juliet Hahn  01:27:26 

You think have... You can curse.


Clint Hatton  01:27:25 

It's hard for me not to wanna cut right now.

Are you are you starting hitting me? You know?

Is that what that was all about?

That I'm you know, talking to God. That point like,

are you preparing me to have that conversation?

You know, and all these crazy thoughts you're just going through my head, but I'm looking at this screen

says my son bed.


I just... I was devastated

I sat there for what seemed like forever it was probably really only a moment or two.


I just never returned terms him.

They needed make it.



Juliet Hahn  01:28:03 



Clint Hatton  01:28:07 

we went through hell.


as you can imagine, we solved

and not come out of our nose and

you know, as much as we could to try and keep it down so

boys would hear in their rooms and

you know, it was

It was incredibly painful. And

So when I... Before I before I told her and I saw it, I did

immediately text my mother in law her mom in my father law who

same grandparents I've been talking about that live about forty five minutes from us.

They've been up doing the same thing, you know, tracking.

Take a track and I told them you need to get your now.


Juliet Hahn  01:28:45 



Clint Hatton  01:28:46 

So they on their way.

Well, about one thirty, now, this is about half an hour after this is taken

play and we're just, you know,

trying or right out because we think it's over

I to get him, not on the door.

I go to the door and it's too fully uniform.

City, police officers.

And, of course, you know, we've all seen if we've never experienced also the movies

happens right. So I'm thinking, oh my god. This is it. They're coming to give me

you know,

the official news. I step out

and the night just became confusing again.

Quite literally what happened when and he pulled me out and

they start asking me for my contact information because they wanna be able to give it to the

County sheriff who Had already spoken to three times

at this point in every single time before I end the call I'd made sure

Again, this is Manhattan here's my phone number. Blah blah blah. It turns out they didn't know anything.

Other than there was a crash

and they were only at my doorstep at one thirty Am m to get my contact info. So I was pissed

you know, I was pissed. I was confused I'm, like, what the heck is going on.

Why that the news reporting this and you guys have wanna act like, you don't even know what's happened.


Juliet Hahn  01:29:57 



Clint Hatton  01:29:56 

So I'm even have a call, and and you're still telling me

we don't know where the news is getting their information. We

can either confirm nor deny anything other than

we do have people on site.

So at that point, you know, Juliet, we felt like, okay.

Maybe it's not over

maybe there's still a chance maybe they're wrong.

You know? So we went kinda back into that. We just started praying again and

you know, I mean, that's what, you're you're willing to pray anything you can think of. So we're even praying insurrection

you know I mean if if he's

bringing back. I mean, we're were just... You're you're in that place in a parent at this point

you're just praying the most extreme things you you can think of because you don't wanna

go through this. You know?


Juliet Hahn  01:30:40 

I mean, that that had to been... I mean, just

Right? And, again, we... You know, we hear things of the news does this, the news of that

And I mean, the anger because now you're

the emotions that you must have been having must have been insane. I mean, I can't even imagine

but also as you know, the husband, man, all those generation relations of

you know, trying to make sure that everything is okay.

You know, your wife's okay, but you're trying to struggle with with this. I just

I I can't even

comprehend. I mean, it must have been such an outer body experience.


Clint Hatton  01:31:12 



Juliet Hahn  01:31:15 

And, again, I wanna bring it back to your

to your what you went through in life.

And as you said, right, Like, this can't be the way

is the way my stories and his story is ending. How is is the way lending

But the one thing I do wanna bring up, and I know I've just had a lot of stuff

The one thing I do wanna say is that you said that he lived

such an adventurous full life.

And that he resistance this kid that knew what he wanted and

and it just brings me back to, you know, kind picturing him.

And then seeing you guys there, and I just

I I can't even. I can't even, again, comprehend it. So

did you start yelling at the police officers?


Clint Hatton  01:31:54 


Yeah. No. I mean, that's that's a fair question for sure. You know, I'm

I just. First of all, I've always had a very

strong sensitivity to what our police officers and first bloggers go to. So

for me, paying the respect is just a normal part of my life. You know, I knew they... It wasn't in their fall.

You know. But... But I was pretty pissed and when I called the sure

farm that was

charge the investigation. You know? I I didn't yell, but I was

very angry, and I was starting. I'm like, I understand why why is your

so much communication

confusion on this. And, you know, of course, the personality was speaking to, that was actually at the

the office didn't

well either didn't know anything or or just wasn't willing to say, which

ultimately is where we're gonna go Juliet. So

This is one thirty. We're back to thinking, maybe there's a chance

And then at three thirty Am, I received my first call


the sheriff's of department.

And it was to confirm that they had a corner on site

and that


confirmed is dead.


Juliet Hahn  01:33:02 

And how many hours was that after?


Clint Hatton  01:33:04 

So that would have been


About seven hours.


Juliet Hahn  01:33:13 

Oh, my gosh.


Clint Hatton  01:33:13 

So it was, you know,

And and, of course, my end laws were here.


Juliet Hahn  01:33:23 




Clint Hatton  01:33:20 

So it was kinda round to, you know, round two of



Juliet Hahn  01:33:25 

Well, I was gonna say, I mean, I guess right, if you think about

from their side. They don't wanna say something because it wasn't him.

Could you imagine, like, you know, so they have to be very careful

and what they... What what they're doing. But as the people on the other side,

you just want answers now you wanna know

which is... Which is devastating.


Clint Hatton  01:33:43 

Yeah. As it turned out, it was actually just a policy

you know, that they would not notify any extra can in

the corners but their stamp of approval on it. And so

everybody that was on site

knew. He was

dead, you know, from the... Just this sheer.


Of of the crash itself.

But they just weren't gonna to tell me until the corners said,

yes. It's official. So that's why a lot of time. You know, we tell this story by now, we're in the

choosing the twenty fourth, but he he officially died on the evening of the twenty third


Juliet Hahn  01:34:18 



I mean, so, I mean, and the boys are still sleeping,


Clint Hatton  01:34:22 

Correct. Yep.


Juliet Hahn  01:34:25 

at this point, and I can't imagine when they wake up,

how how that conversation went.


Clint Hatton  01:34:33 

You know, I had some time, which in retrospect,

you know, I'm certainly thankful that they didn't wake up on their own and come out.

Because that ultimately, I didn't wake them up until seven thirties that gave me about

four hours.

For us to just try and, you know, process

and and try to wrap our minds around what it happened in which

you know, we didn't do in that moment you can't

But at least, you have a little bit of time to think and

So what I have happened was when when I brought them out,

and set them down a course it's already

you know, the atmosphere is charged. I'm sure we look like crap.

You know, I could only imagine how puffy our eyes were and they were blood red and everything else. And

you know, my in laws being in the living room was not


Juliet Hahn  01:35:18 



Clint Hatton  01:35:17 

normal for a Tuesday morning, especially with him b. Yeah. So they walk out and they know


Juliet Hahn  01:35:23 

Thank you.


Clint Hatton  01:35:22 

what the heck, you know what's going on?


Juliet Hahn  01:35:24 

They can feel in energy.


Clint Hatton  01:35:24 

I can feel the energy. And so we sat down. It was

it was just prior to that that I really felt like Juliet

and and I can't

I can't say this with certainty. So I'm asking your listeners. Just

to kinda of bear with me on this, but

shall, like, okay. Is is that what that morning walk was all about?

And you've prepared me

god to have this conversation, but I don't know what to say.



Juliet Hahn  01:35:50 



Clint Hatton  01:35:51 

and I felt like

I got the words.

And so I just shut them down, and I looked at them.

And and actually, before I... Before I say that, you've done such a beautiful

job of helping me tell my story. And so, you know, obviously,

there were a lot of things that led up to this in terms of us being through tough times. And

and and this point me being a pastor for over fifteen years when this had happened,

I've helped many people I've been in hospital rooms watching

loved ones die in front of their family and, you know, trying to help

them afterwards and all those types of things.

So I was also... If there was an advantage,

I didn't have an advantage with the pain.

Nothing will prepare you for that.


Juliet Hahn  01:36:32 



Clint Hatton  01:36:33 

But I did have an advantage of having some understanding

of what turn our lives could take.


Juliet Hahn  01:36:40 



Clint Hatton  01:36:40 

If we go about this,



Juliet Hahn  01:36:43 

Right. Well, I mean, also from you, just


Clint Hatton  01:36:46 



Juliet Hahn  01:36:48 

being twelve and starting the story. So anyone that

just dumping and now if you go back to the story,

that your parents should

reconcile years later, but the damage was already done. So you had that in the back of your mind, whether you were

it or not. But as you said, you were with all the experience that you have

Now you have to think about how am I gonna protect these two boys who are here in earth or, you know,

you know, even though you're

in this immense

again, probably out a body experience, this pain that you're going through. How do I

protect them.


Clint Hatton  01:37:19 

Yeah. No. That's exactly right. And

you know, to that point before I launch out,

you know, that is certainly something that for those of us who have lost

a child when you have more than one,


Juliet Hahn  01:37:31 



Clint Hatton  01:37:31 

you know, you we know your incredible pain.

It it's it's challenging or difficult to not

immediately think exactly what you just said that I've got I've gotta fear something out.

Quick because

how I frame this and and how

I help my kids is gonna take dictate

possibly the rest of their lives. You know? And so I was aware of that?

You know?

So I just... I just turned him, and I said,


Here's what we're gonna do.

We have two choices.

Of how we're going to

live this out of the family.

And I've seen both.

The first one is we can choose to focus on

the tragedy.

The pain of our tragedy

the fact that he died in a plane crash,

you know, all of the other obvious things who the miles

owns the birthdays, the Christmas, you know, all those things.

And not that we weren't gonna feel those things.

But if if we focus on how he died,

then we are going to be shadows of who each of us were created to be

And the pain that we're feeling now is gonna keep us trapped.

And and we're not going to live our lives out.

The way we could have

but there's a second choice in our second choice, and this is what we're gonna do is

we can choose life. And what that meant for me, Juliet was, I said, listen, Gabriel.

Attack life.

You know, I need to, you know, repeat to your listeners everything. But

you, I just told the boys, you know, he attacked Eve. He did all these things. He was always like, what's next

what affects you was adventurous. And despite the fact that we

obviously never wanted to lose him ever.

He was in fact

living his dream even in the moment that he passed.

And so I told them so that's what we're gonna do.

We're gonna choose

to remember the way he lived.

And we're gonna honor his life.

And the way he lived by doing the same in ours,



Juliet Hahn  01:39:31 



Clint Hatton  01:39:35 

we just made that packed, and then part two

which was just as critical was the grieving side. You know? And I said, So here's the thing.

We don't know how it's gonna hit us.

You know, I don't know how it's gonna hit me mom, you guys

we don't know from one day the next

and for a while, probably even hour to hour,

we're gonna feel are gonna be sad. Are we're gonna be angry we gonna be feel like we're

maybe going into severe depression. You know, all all the different things that you're going


half to process going through the grieving process. I said, so here's what we're gonna do as well.

We are going to do this as a family.

And what that looks like is

we cannot allow ourselves to isolate. Now, keep in mind, they're only nine fourteen


Juliet Hahn  01:40:13 



Clint Hatton  01:40:16 

But I even in that moment felt like,

I couldn't just tell them what we were gonna do. I needed to invite them into

what we were going to do


Juliet Hahn  01:40:26 

Well, and you know what? And I think it's so important for

you know, everyone to think about this. So I you know, I make the mistakes too

kids are so much more

resilient, but also so much more aware.

They're so much more aware than we give them credit for. So much smarter.

They are so much

bigger. Yes. They have immature brains, but when I really do feel when

things that happen big, sometimes they have more insight

because they can muscle through and not muscle through. That's not the word. They can model through


Clint Hatton  01:40:56 



Juliet Hahn  01:40:58 

and and be a little bit more

So not telling them. Right?

Like, oh, this is like, sugar coating it.

Could have pissed them off because they're were like,

What what are you talking about? Like, this is devastated

This is debt. Like, what are you talking about if you're like, okay. We're, you know? So

I think doing that is

is really an important thing. Any kind of tragedy that you talk to children about

I think sugar coding it are making it a little less than. They're gonna know.


Clint Hatton  01:41:24 

Yeah. I agree.

No. I think, you know, that was what I was sending. So I just said listen. So

you know, this is not going to be a two waste. I mean, a one way.

Where if you're feeling sad or you need to cry or you need to be angry, you need to

us, you know, because nothing was awful limits. There was no emotion that was was


Juliet Hahn  01:41:43 



Clint Hatton  01:41:43 

inappropriate. You're allowed to feel them all. We're not gonna stop you.

And if I'm crying,

mom's not gonna to stop me. She's not gonna come over and she's not gonna hug me and tell me old, stop subs Scott. Don't

I don't cry. It's gonna be okay. We're not gonna do that.

We're going to support each other, and we're gonna allow each other

to feel whatever every emotions we're feeling to be able to express whatever those emotions are.

And it's gonna be a two way straight. There's gonna be times and this happen over the course of the last

three and a and a half years or so. Where I'm the one who's feeling emotional and crime because there's a

trigger of some time, and and I'll let them know how I'm feeling and why I'm feeling it.

And so we we set out, you know, that morning with those two things this life perspective,

of honoring him, by the way we live and then


Yes. We are going

to have a pain.

And, Juliet, well, I think we may have talked about this in our brief call.

The pain is always going to be there. Our goal has never been to get rid of the pain.


Juliet Hahn  01:42:41 



Clint Hatton  01:42:40 

To me, the pain represents the of we shared with our son.

To without about.

I feel pain.

But the differences is we had to tell our pain how to behave.

We had to tell our pain where to cup.

Otherwise, it was just gonna keep us trial. And we have not done this

perfectly. We're not perfect human beings. You know, we've had a we

days, whatever where we know we didn't execute on this.

This pack we made perfectly, but it gave us something

to constantly recalibrate to

so that we could stay focus to continue to live according to those values.


Juliet Hahn  01:43:14 

Right. And and so I do have to ask you question because I do. I know

I told you the gonna be an hour show. It was good

clearly not. So I hope that this is not. I I know you're plugging phones in

I had dogs barking. I was like, okay. I know this is went

but there's no

There's no

Close... I... There was no part of this your story that I wanted to not know a little bit more.

And so I do apologize that it is going long for the listeners. I know they're like, wow this

since your longest show ever, but this story deserves that. The story just

does deserve this time. And I do have to ask a question. There's not

a question that I haven't asked, even though I know it could take us down a different path.

But I do feel

that your story is something


And you are gonna be able to help so many different people

and what you're doing now because of your story,

is just again, gonna be

the stories connect us. This this is your story. Oh, you know, anyone that's a parent

can feel the pain can feel it. So I do wanna ask you

I know when you said we you're talking to the boys, and it was like, okay, This is how we're gonna show up.

Do you think that was

Some of

the twelve year old self talking

for when your parents, you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, when your parents went through that

or do you feel that it was something that you learned in the faith journey or drug turn?



Clint Hatton  01:44:38 



Juliet Hahn  01:44:40 

Or do you think it was a combination?


Clint Hatton  01:44:41 

Right. Yeah That's an question. No when no one has asked me. That's what I can remember.

My gut reaction is both.


Juliet Hahn  01:44:49 



Clint Hatton  01:44:48 

You know, I think there's always been something inside of me.

That had a prevalence towards resiliency. You know?

So so I think there's that part

that wasn't me, I think the key difference in why the combination is so critical it is


Juliet Hahn  01:45:07 



Clint Hatton  01:45:06 

having the wisdom to know what that needs to look like.

You know, certainly didn't come that twelve year old. I think both


Juliet Hahn  01:45:13 

Well, but also, you see. And and and again, I could be putting words in your mouth, but

your tragedy as you as a as can is different than the charges that

your tons are going through. And you can't, again, as we talked about, you can't say,


Clint Hatton  01:45:26 



Juliet Hahn  01:45:27 

that one's bigger than another. Because it happened to each

person so you don't know how they are handle it. But

again, something doesn't in need. I'm sure

even if his background and back your mind, not in the back of your mind,


protecting that twelve year old boy of you


Maybe you wish that your parent handled it a little different, and you wouldn't have gone down that path now that

path you were meant to do.

Right? That path you were meant to do. So it's not gonna change it.

To who you are, how you're handling. This is how you're gonna help so many masses of people


Clint Hatton  01:46:03 



Juliet Hahn  01:46:00 

with your story with your book with your coaching business.

But I wonder how much of that little, you know, twelve year old boy

was like,

I got... I gotta... I gotta be better.


Clint Hatton  01:46:09 



Juliet Hahn  01:46:11 

I want these two, not to have to, you know, you know, god again, has does their

so you don't you you can't change their story because of something you're gonna say, but you can help shape it.


Clint Hatton  01:46:19 

Yeah. You know, I think I'm still probably answering that question.


Juliet Hahn  01:46:23 



Clint Hatton  01:46:24 

And, you know, for myself to be totally candid with you.

I think even personal development and space, I'm

you know,

and having helped coach mentor people for so many years.

I think that's true about all of us.

Know I think there are things that that whether it's a trauma of whether it's

just the way our lives were set up, but there's things that we do

carry forward from our childhood.

Even if it's on a subconscious level that


Juliet Hahn  01:46:51 



Clint Hatton  01:46:51 

end up causing some automated responses to things, and then

you know when you

hopefully when you've grown and you become more mature,

and you've learned healthier coping mechanisms and you're full of more wisdom.

That you can marry those two in a sense.

And you know, be

be more productive for your own life and and be better positioned to help other people.


Juliet Hahn  01:47:16 

Yeah. No. One hundred percent. So

I do wanna... Because I been said, I didn't know.

We're gonna have you back on. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind. And and if your wife, if you're my foot

what is what


Clint Hatton  01:47:25 

I apologize. I'm getting by someone who's got an appointment two a


Juliet Hahn  01:47:31 

Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Oh my gosh. Oh, my god.


Clint Hatton  01:47:32 

that's okay. I I didn't even live we talk that long. It's been amazing.


Juliet Hahn  01:47:35 

I... Well, I my eyes are not good, and


Clint Hatton  01:47:42 



Juliet Hahn  01:47:40 

I knew that we had technical difficulties in the beginning, and so

I was, like, calculating, and I'm like,

Oh my gosh. But again, there was no

time for me to stop you because there... We needed this whole



Clint Hatton  01:47:51 



Juliet Hahn  01:47:53 

I truly believe this whole part needs to be

you know, explored. And so take into the book though when you decided to do the book

in the coaching business, and then you can tell you're client. I'm so sorry.


Clint Hatton  01:48:03 

Yeah. So the

ultimately, you know, three months after Gabriel pass Covid.


Juliet Hahn  01:48:13 



Clint Hatton  01:48:11 

So the whole world got turned on its head with you my Ten it. So

obviously, during that time, the hardest for us to process through

Gabriel, but it wasn't the only thing. And I think for me,

you know, I knew I was gonna write a book someday day, Juliet, but I didn't plan on being within only a

couple years. I had no time to it wasn't, like a goal or anything, You know, to just

get out of book as fast as I could. You know?

And so it took a couple of years

And then I just saw so much fear


Juliet Hahn  01:48:42 



Clint Hatton  01:48:42 

unleashed on this planet. And there's not a political statement it's just a fact.

You know, there so much fear

so only people feeling hopeless, like there's

maybe nothing to look forward to or work towards and

know, I just realized that

and analog loss in different forms. I just realized rely that, you know,

my story, and this book you know, does include


the story of Game has got a lot of other stories, including other individuals

story it'll will blow your mind. Really inspire you. I just realized the world needs something.

You know. And so that's why I decide to go ahead and write the book.

When I did, which is just about a year ago now or begin writing it about a year ago.

It was just with the ideas that I I just wanted to

help people see that

life is gonna punch us all the gut. We're all gonna go through ups and downs we're all

hey, We're all eventually gonna die. Right? I mean, we all know that.


Juliet Hahn  01:49:32 



Clint Hatton  01:49:34 

We're gonna suffer seeing loved ones die at some point, but

there's so much more to the world, and we're gonna we're gonna miss out on opportunities if we allow

fear to cripple us and if we're not willing to take risks. And for me, one of those things and

how I was inspired by Gabriel. What I

thought about launching a coaching business on the side for years.

I thought about writing a book for years to for that that matter.

But I'd always let excuses fear doubt,

all those things keep me from doing it.

So I decided that I need to write the book

and I wrote it intentionally to help one person

our hard and gentleman who's on my forward.

He's former president of Starbucks International and so what Howard told me before I started writing the book.

Should write it for one


Juliet Hahn  01:50:15 



Clint Hatton  01:50:17 

I'm like okay. I can do that. So I wrote it for one person, but I also wrote it for me.

At the same time. You know.


Juliet Hahn  01:50:24 



Clint Hatton  01:50:24 

So ultimately, that's, you know, where that went with a book. And now it's

the official launch state was yesterday's that's available, you, everywhere books are sold and

people can go to my web.

Tied big bull on us to check out everything else about me too, but

I've just made it my mission in life

to help as many people along the way as I can. You know? Yes.

Learn how to push through pain and

you know, keep your family healthier or marriage healthy, all those things. But

but also to live your dream and don't allow

circumstances of life.

To dictate to you how you're gonna live a mediocre life

because the fact is the data shows

most people on the planet

hate what they're doing.


Juliet Hahn  01:51:06 



Clint Hatton  01:51:08 


And they're not courageous enough.

To do something about it. And only you can do that. Nobody's ever gonna do it for you.

So that's that's just part of why wrote the book and and what I'm hoping people

will be inspired to do. My Tagline courageous human in the inspiring lives.

My whole life now is dedicated

to finding courageous people, which courage in every single one of us

and doing my part

whatever little part that may be

to help inspire them to be inspiring.

I I don't wanna go and talk in throw out of hundreds of thousands of people and the all walk going wow.

He's really inspiring and not walk out going. What am I gonna do be inspiring? That's what matters.


Juliet Hahn  01:51:49 

Yeah. No. And I love that. And I think it's a an a brilliant message and

Gabriel is definitely there, surrounding himself around you being like,

I know you can do it. Then


Clint Hatton  01:51:58 

That's what.


Juliet Hahn  01:52:00 

not only

but you also took other positions. Right? You've we talked about this throughout this episode.


Clint Hatton  01:52:10 



Juliet Hahn  01:52:07 

You took positions with blind faith. I'm jumping into here. I'm jumping into here. So the fact

that you didn't jump into the book.

And the

the coaching business

fas me.

We're gonna talk about that at a different time. Because other questions that, but I'm not going dump

jump into it. But

it fas to me when people are so big and brave in one moment,


Clint Hatton  01:52:28 




Juliet Hahn  01:52:30 

And then there's something that holds them back, and I do think it's a timing thing.

I think it's a timing thing, but then I also am always like,

very curious of, like, why? And we you know what what

let leave that. But I I think timing is one of the things, and I think

experience is another thing. It's just not the time that it's supposed to happen.

But I just have to say thank you so much for, you know, joining your next

stop live. As I said, we're gonna have you on again because I definitely wanna talk more

we're gonna follow everyone, you know, please go to big

bold brave dot us.

Us or us. Right? I wanna make sure I'm saying this. Right.


Clint Hatton  01:53:06 

That's right


Juliet Hahn  01:53:11 


and I actually, that's so true. I love... I love that with us because it is

it is

what you're doing. You're helping others. You're inspiring others

from so many different tragedies that you had in your life.

To so many also of the big wins that you've had in life. You have so much

to teach and so much to share, and people need to hear it.

Especially, as you said now with that, you know, every with all the fear, it's

it it's it's your time.


Clint Hatton  01:53:38 



Juliet Hahn  01:53:39 

It is your time, and I want everyone to write down Clint Manhattan name.


and his website, big bold brave dot

Us or dot us because

you're gonna be hearing a lot more from clint.


Clint Hatton  01:53:52 

Thank you, Julius.


Juliet Hahn  01:53:52 

Thank you so much.

And again, I'm so sorry that we went so long. I haven't even calculated in my mind.


Clint Hatton  01:53:59 

Yeah amazing. Yeah. It's alright.


Juliet Hahn  01:54:03 

No it your story

there's no way

as as we were having the conversation, There is ways that you can

as a storytellers,

concise things that, you know, but there is

this would need it to be

laid out the way it was.


Clint Hatton  01:54:18 



Juliet Hahn  01:54:20 

Really, really do. And I I wish you all the luck. And I know we're gonna be

did. And thank you guys everyone for joining your next

stop live here on Fireside. Please go follow Clint

And thank you again for wherever you're listening. If you're here on

Linkedin, if you're Fireside, Youtube, but Clint, thank you so much.


Clint Hatton  01:54:37 

Thank you, You had ronald.


Juliet Hahn  01:54:39 

Thank you.


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