Your Next Stop Live with Clint HattonMar 09, 2023
Listen to a new episode of Your Next Stop Live recorded live on Fireside, featuring guest Clint Hatton. Clint is an author, motivational speaker, personal development and leadership coach, and the founder of BigBoldBrave in McKinney, Texas. He has been coaching individuals and organizations for over twenty years with a proven track record of helping people live up to their full potential while building healthier marriages, relationships, and teams. Clint recently published his first book, Big Bold Brave: How to Live Courageously in a Risky World. It was inspired by the way his oldest son lived his life. Gabriel achieved his goal of becoming a licensed pilot at the age of 17. He died in a tragic plane crash while living his dream just shy of his 18th birthday. His legacy is carried on by the Hatton family.
“We had to tell our pain how to behave. We had to tell our pain where to go. Otherwise it was just going to keep us trapped.”
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Juliet Hahn 00:06:48
I was telling people when you weren't here, you to follow you at big bold brave dot Us
you can also find clint on all the socials Clint Manhattan,
you can also find big bold brave on all the social as well. So clint,
and I love hold to
Clinton has to just a microphone
Oh, good. Yeah. We got that. Thank you, Gary. We have some people
if you guys are here on Linkedin, whether you're Linkedin twitch,
Youtube live, whether you're here, watch
in the replay on Fireside or you're in the room. I know I've just had some people text
me say, I'm gonna jump in at some point.
We appreciate you guys being here. Again, my name is Juliet Han. This is your next stop live.
Live on Fireside with my guest, Clint Manhattan,
you guys can find hit him everywhere, but you can also go to his big bold
dot us. You are a first time author.
Yesterday, am I correct?
Clint Hatton 00:07:38
Yeah. Well, I've been pre selling it for a little bit. But yesterday, was the official launch.
So, yes, we're are often running.
Juliet Hahn 00:07:48
Yeah. So I would... If you can just get into
you know, I want your you were
a pastor. Right? A minister. You also. So you've been preaching for many years.
Clint Hatton 00:08:01
Yeah. I I I was until January
So now I'm actually fully in. I I did that for seventeen years.
And now I'm fully end with my vision for Big bull, the personal don't
company speaking and just finding different avenues to help a broader audience.
Juliet Hahn 00:08:17
Right. And I know when we connected, we, you know, were
gonna be speaking, you know, for fifteen minutes, my my listeners know I kinda do a little
Let's see how our energies go, and then we kept going, and I was like, oh, wait.
We we we need to stop. And as I was telling that you know the listeners before,
you have a pretty pretty tragic story, and what came out of the story is
you know, is this beautiful creation that you're creating. So if you can kind of
you know, just start a little bit with your background, kinda where you grew up
what I always love to. You know, have the listeners listen to, and and then we'll we'll
continue with the story from there.
Clint Hatton 00:08:52
Yeah. Well, I grew up in Sunny Southern California and been
first nineteen years in my life there so just had what I can hear to be a pretty
pretty average normal life for the most part, like you own an
athlete mostly football and baseball. So I have a lot of fun with that a lot of
obsessed with that, but then, you know, things
started to shift a little bit when I was about twelve. My
parents had been married for twenty five years and my dad end up designed
have an affair, which is breaking up the family for a while it got
pretty ugly. He moved out, moved in with this other person,
actually in her, which was, you know, incredibly awkward for me.
Juliet Hahn 00:09:33
Clint Hatton 00:09:33
And during that period of time, my mom began to, you know, she not a cop.
They got married when they were eighteen and sixteen years old. You know, they're from a different generation.
So she had, you know, to suicide radiation idea, almost
killed me actually twice when she was trying to commit
soon suicide in a car and once with a handgun. And so, you know, that was when for me early on.
Life again the shift
at that time, I began to use all the wrong coping mechanisms Right? You know, because I was pretty
angry. So I drank. I did
a ton of drugs and really... Julia one four
for. I probably would went
completely down the tubes. But I stayed
Juliet Hahn 00:10:16
Clint Hatton 00:10:13
you know, I say over enough when I needed you to be able to compete and succeed. So
So that one's kind the first real big bump in the road for me was back then.
But eventually, you know, I I'm moved on and
at nineteen, I had my second catastrophic knee injury
playing Junior college football hoping that I was gonna be able to get a full ride to a
know a bigger school. And so my life just kinda went down there other path that I never planned
Became a professional salesperson, but I also got into meth.
And so, you know, during even that entire time, nine years,
I did hard drugs I did mess.
most people wouldn't be even none, you know, because I wore suit the eye and, you know,
other than if you were with me, parting, you wouldn't have known probably.
But my life really went down, you know, kind of a dark road.
Then once I got to my thirties, that was when faith kicked in for me.
And that was just a foundational thing that helped me begin to turn my life around.
And then I'll just leave you this last one then we'll launch out, and then
I actually joined
a network marketing company. You know, we've all been approached by one by now. Right?
Juliet Hahn 00:11:21
Clint Hatton 00:11:21
And so I joined this company, and it ended up being that
they all happen to be believers, but more than that,
just the mindset and the life philosophies
just began to do something inside of me that I realized I was better.
Than what I was showing the world. And so that's really when things began really
shift for me, and that was
when I was thirty one years old, I'm fifty seven now.
Juliet Hahn 00:11:45
Right. I mean, and and so, you know, I
my parents actually got divorced when I was twelve, they did not have
terrible doors. You know, it was kind of a lot of kids
just a lot of responsibility. They got married young. So it was, like, you know, they were both
approaching forty. My dad was just turned forty. And I remember
it is a... It is a a strange time. It's a strange time when you're all of a sudden like, okay.
My life that I thought was gonna be is kind of
changing a little bit. And when you're a young person in your mind can't really grasp it,
it's hard to then navigate, and especially seeing your mom go through what
she went through that had to been really, really tough, you know, and so many people
unfortunately, do go look to to numb. Right? You wanna numb those feelings
you wanna know you don't, not how to do it And so you turn to drugs.
So when you found
Clint Hatton 00:12:33
Juliet Hahn 00:12:36
Was it in kind of an automatic? Okay? I need to just
stop drugs or was it, you know, a really rough stop?
Clint Hatton 00:12:41
No. That's that's a great question.
And I'll and I'll point out really quick because I'm sure a lot of your listeners can relate to this. My parents
actually reconcile a couple years later.
But that didn't undo the damage.
Juliet Hahn 00:12:52
Clint Hatton 00:12:53
And and each they even knew at times that I was using back
coping mechanisms, but I don't know if it was just guilt shame, whatever it was, but
you know, they never addressed. So anyway, that's said,
That's a great question because when I was about thirty, this is just before I
actually decided to become a faith.
I had done. I I was married before, so that's also part of my
story. I was in a five year marriage that was just a complete train wreck.
You know, I was a train Wreck. I was a terrible husband. I won't I need to get into her because it, you know,
Juliet Hahn 00:13:20
Clint Hatton 00:13:24
I was my own issue, so... But we didn't be well together.
And so the there was this one night where we decided we both were gonna go out and do math one
And so we did. And Juliet at the next day, I woke up
and felt like just garbage
And I realized I've wasted so much of the night the
for anybody who's ever been in that world. You know, a lot of times, you spend hours waiting to give
the shop. You know?
All that stuff. I just saw, man, this is not
how I wanna live my life. This is not who I wanna be.
And so I made a decision that day. I was done, and I've never used sent
and that was actually
before I decided to, you know, go to a church and
and, you know, have an experience with what it's like to live with face. So
it started before that. Now I would say
where the faith really began to change my life was not
the drug addiction, it was really just, again, changed my mindset.
About who I really am, what I was created to be
that I can really make a difference in the world, you know, because I'd always
always loves helping people. And for one whatever reason, people would share the
Juliet Hahn 00:14:35
Clint Hatton 00:14:35
craziest things with me. He know, just really
into saying. I remember when that we were doing math and I was with a
a group of people, but they all left to go get more alcohol, and I was left with the wife of one of the guys.
Had never met them before. The they thing I know she's telling me about how
you've been raped and in all the different issues that she had never even told her husband. You know?
Juliet Hahn 00:14:53
Clint Hatton 00:14:55
So for whatever reason, I was a magnet to that kind of thing.
But, obviously, you know, not very well equipped
this should you much of an help in those day.
Juliet Hahn 00:15:04
Right. And and you... You know, the reason I I asked you that is because it it really fascinated me
know, there is an addict and people will say, oh,
an advocates, like, great, some people don't believe, like you're an addict. You can't you can just stop, especially if
someone can stop, like, like, I make my my mind up, I shop
there's other people that truly
can't. And for whatever reason, it's just the way their brain is
wired. So it always fascinated me kind of I think it gives a little
insight into who you are, but also where your journey then takes
you because of being like, okay. You know what I'm done?
You know, I've lived... I've lived life. I've lived a pretty hard life, and now I'm done, and now I'm going
to I've just had enough, you know? And so it's really important for people to also
you know, you always say, okay. That rock bottom, that person
should be now being like, okay. This is how much further can they get and they do. They
find a deeper deeper deeper hole, which is, you know, which is sad, but they're
Again, I believe
in god, but some people believe in the universe and people believe in both, I believe in both.
I truly believe we all do have a pass
and if we can just kinda listen sometimes, listen to
the cues or, you know, maybe we've god being like I'm gonna make him really wait to piss
them off and see where this what happens. You know where? Let's make the situation that happens.
So from there, you decided okay. I'm done. So when did then that
first marriage end
Clint Hatton 00:16:31
It really wasn't too long after. So, you know, without getting in the weeds with you
quote unquote Salvation experience. You know I went to church one day with some friends because
I just knew there something different about them. It it was really other reason. They were very
successful business people
I noticed Dale seem to have a common piece even when the storms are going on. So I went
And that's when I made a decision to follow God. Well, she wasn't too thrilled about that.
And I just really knew at that time in my life, I really felt like I was called
to do something inside of the church, which is
something that she just wasn't interested in. So it was only
know, eight nine months after getting a bunch of counseling, We went to
quote unquote Christian Marriage counseling and
just one day, she decided to serve me to Divorce Papers and just said, I just
this where I wanna go with my life. And the irony of that
you was, you know, we had had some really ugly fights.
During those five years. And I remember being angry for a couple of minutes
because no one wants to be rejected. Right?
Juliet Hahn 00:17:26
Clint Hatton 00:17:31
And then I remember just this kinda of calm coming over me. Like, why are you so angry?
Because our life was miserable.
And we actually didn't up having for about three hours, probably the best
calm conversation that we'd had
maybe ever. And so we ended up following through with the divorce and I'm
I went my way and she went hers, and that's ultimately what kind of led to me
moving from California to Dallas and and starting over.
Juliet Hahn 00:17:56
Right. Which is what I mean, again, it's one of those things like you're... Yes. As you said, no one like
to be rejected, but it was best
maybe one of the best things that happened to you because where I led you,
So what it where did Dallas look like? What would can of take us through that part of
Clint Hatton 00:18:08
Juliet Hahn 00:18:10
your life. You're clean now you're you know, newly divorced.
You found god.
Clint Hatton 00:18:16
That's exactly right. So, you know, when when I
was thinking about making a move. There was actually
three different areas that I was thinking about. I had some
friend in Southern of California that were doing some ministry that I was interested in. I had some
in the San Francisco Bay area, and then
this network marketing was a part of I had a couple of friends. One with my one was very six
successful. You know, she's one of the ones that was on the cover of success magazine that kind of stuff.
And they were coming to Dallas to build the business.
But it was the one place I've never been. And so to shorten the story,
I I prayed about. I got counsel for some people, and it just
everything pointed to Dallas even though that was one place, I had no reference point
no job. So I literally sold all my possessions
didn't have a job
ready for me. And I moved with
one of the Married couples that was involved in that business. We we can't have an agreement that we would
say together for one year.
Just to kinda help each other get him, you know, get involved in the business.
Here and do what we need to do and then we would part. And so that's what happened, but
shortly after I got here, I just really felt like
The network marketing business had kinda
run its course with me. I wasn't really passionate about the business.
It was more of the, you know, just helping people side of things and
Juliet Hahn 00:19:33
Clint Hatton 00:19:33
I was really beginning speaking in front of an audience and motivating people. So that's when
I decided to... I'm just gonna see what happens.
So it was really a total blind journey, you know,
with faith, I felt like I was making the right decisions, but there is no clear path
Juliet Hahn 00:19:47
Clint Hatton 00:19:51
And then ultimately, I I had to get a job you know, of course, I got a job right away.
Buy a new car right away so I could get around. And ultimately, I ended up in
the cellular business when it was relatively new was been, you know, twenty five plus years ago.
Manage a a pretty good size store and just kinda wait to see. Okay. I moved two thousand miles away from
Juliet Hahn 00:20:07
Clint Hatton 00:20:09
everything I know. And now I married to self the store.
Well let it up with that, You know?
But like, after a couple of years of doing that, I developed some other skills and
ended up going to work for a a very large ministry at that time one of the biggest in the world and
that kinda launch me into the Christian realm of mastery, if you will.
Juliet Hahn 00:20:29
Got it. That. I mean, that and, again, it's it is so funny to wear, like, where a life
takes you and and and makes you reflect, you know, And sometimes you think about
you went through, and then you're reflect on. Okay. This is where I am. And sometimes I talk about this a lot
on the podcast. You know, when sometimes that unknown is, like, really what
sometimes stops people. Right? I don't know what's gonna happen. So I don't wanna push myself forward because
I don't wanna fail or I'm just nervous, and sometimes,
some of that unknown and what happens in the unknown is
all of a sudden... Those two things come together and you're like,
Okay. I see you. I I see you.
Clint Hatton 00:21:08
I didn't know. Yeah. Yes.
Juliet Hahn 00:21:09
I get it now, all that all that, you know, stressed I was doing all this
that I was doing. And then all of a sudden it was like, boom. Okay. That makes sense.
I'm gonna, you know, move forward. So when you got involved in the ministry, what
what was your role? And then how did you grow there?
Clint Hatton 00:21:22
Well, two very exciting things have
in there because one of the things I really felt was
going to happen through this move at some point. I I really felt like I was gonna get a second chance
at being a husband, and we did not have kids. So, you know, wasn't the father yet?
So when I went to work for this organization, I actually met my now bride of
twenty years here in about a month and a half at
that particular job. I was actually being interviewed to work in her department.
Juliet Hahn 00:21:52
Clint Hatton 00:21:53
And so two things is kind of all happening at the same time.
Now that's a whole other story in itself. We can talk for two hours about our
our story and how we ultimately end up becoming married to the
didn't happen quickly. It was it was about a year and a half long journey with a lot of twists and turns, but
But anyway, I I go in and I I meet her and I'm thinking there's something better.
And so then they start training. So ultimately, I started with just being
this gonna sound smaller than it is, but I was in charge of book sales. Now,
this particular organization, we get events a small event was here in the United States.
twenty thousand people we do madison and square guard, We do American Airline airlines stereo, stuff like that.
So I was dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth the product.
And then we would do internationally events as well. Biggest one I was every part of by
half a million people in one service. So, you know, these were very large
venues use very large event. But eventually, I'd be
began to develop some other skills do a lot of stage
work as far as, you know, hosting and
just announcements things of that nature,
ended up taking on a whole bunch of things. Eventually, they call me an event coordinated, but really, I did
all kinds and different things. I handled all of our radio
newspaper print add
promos for the events, things like that.
Handled a bunch of any venues
was constantly working with, you know, we'd have
big time musical artist or other people in written books or whatever come in.
So I was kind the liaison for them. I was kind jack all trained.
When I left, they ended up actually giving my job the three different people
but so I'm not saying that the time I up on the baggage is
it didn't make a lot of sense. I was wearing too many had.
Juliet Hahn 00:23:38
Right. But, you know what I love. I mean, so many different things and I... We talked about this before because I... You know,
I do wanna have you and your wife on together not
just talk about your journey, but then also talk about
you know, the tragic that you guys had in your life and then how kind of this
unfolded because we talked about that. So we will definitely get there. So anyone that's listening they're like, we
why aren't are you asking questions on that? Because that's gonna be another show. But I do wanna pause for one second because
anyone that is in this room and clint... You can do the same thing. I know we had some issues in the green room.
But if you feel comfortable enough touch your phone, if you go down to those two little
lined at the bottom to the last, you'll see something where it says broadcast to the world.
And you'll see, like, I have a little goal globe, like, this is going live on. You can
click this and send it to your friends. You can put it on Facebook. You can put it on
believe, like Linkedin, I mean, this is being broadcast on those things.
But you can also do that as well to kinda get some of your
people that are not in Fireside, This is one of the things that we love about this platform.
They can actually click that link that you're sending and listen to this whole whole show even
when they're not fireside. So that's what is this great
This this great platform is all about. And you know now now you're
you're you're like, well, now my videos all messed up, but you'll you'll figure it out. Well,
Clint Hatton 00:24:47
On my biggest, But only for a second here, I'm almost
Juliet Hahn 00:24:50
Yeah. So so
I mean, the thing is though
also, all of that that you were doing for this
Clint Hatton 00:24:57
Juliet Hahn 00:25:01
Like, as you were saying it, I was like, oh my gosh. It's totally setting you up
for what you are gonna be doing now and what you're meant to be doing now because of
how your life unfolded. And so it's really setting you up
What you're doing, which is it is kinda it gave me chills because I was like, oh, my gosh all that
stuff is now exactly what you're gonna be, you know, what you have been doing, but now as it grows with
your first book. So you met your wife. You're doing, you know, this amazing
stuff your events and all these different things. You're really
getting tools under your belt that are gonna lead you to the to your next
you know, pat, so you guys get married and then kinda take us
take us into that.
Clint Hatton 00:25:40
Yeah. So when we got married,
it wasn't long after for that, probably about
I don't know six months to a year, she ended up leaving
that particular organization. It just made a lot of sense for us.
So she actually ended up going to work for a medical facility that does
really high end stuff of like, the maverick and stuff like that. All these
high in physical and and those types of things. So she really enjoyed that. So
But then about six months to a year, this was the funny thing Julia
because we... We had made an agreement that we really felt like we wanted to be a say at home mom.
But we were just too scared not to have the two incomes.
Juliet Hahn 00:26:13
Clint Hatton 00:26:17
and, we decide. Well, we'll just find other ways to
you know, do quote on unquote god's well because we felt like that's what you want us to do.
everything is going well. This is a high end facility.
And after one year, they completely have this shut down and fire everybody except
Juliet Hahn 00:26:34
Clint Hatton 00:26:34
for the main doctor in a nurse. So we found ourselves
Okay. You it to go. You know?
So she became me home mom at that time I had
the two boys Gabriel and Joel,
we hadn't had liam yet yet. And so life began to, you know, just kinda shift
we had really
struggle is probably too rock, you know, stronger word, but
it was tough because I traveled a lot.
You know, I was traveling around the globe. I was gone on average, you know, a couple of weeks.
How of the month, there were stretches that could be much worse. There were stretches that would be
a little bit longer in between, but I was I was gone a lot.
And we didn't get married for me to be, you know, jet sitting around the world even if it was for a good
cause. You know, we really felt like we wanted to do things together.
So, you know, as a couple we prayed about that,
went ended up being really a couple of years.
Before that came a day, what we, you know, really felt like, okay. That season is up.
Juliet Hahn 00:27:27
Clint Hatton 00:27:29
And, again, I'm gonna make the long story short. We
had some really interesting things happen to kinda confirm that.
And we read agreement
so what was crazy about it?
Was I really felt like the instruction. I
received was I need to give my
organization of thirty day notice.
Which that was no big deal because I was gonna get paid for another thirty days.
Then I felt like I was supposed to stay at home for thirty days after that and not even look for work.
Juliet Hahn 00:27:53
Clint Hatton 00:27:55
Now she was been mom. Right? So
that didn't make a lot of sense.
But by this point, you know, living a life of faith,
god had already been faithful in our mind in so many dramatic ways that were like, okay. Let's
do this this is little off the beaten and path and let's do it.
So ultimately, what I am happening was, you know, when you leave a job,
any corporate job and for those who may aren't as familiar with the
search world in terms of, you know, the internal side of things.
Juliet Hahn 00:28:24
Clint Hatton 00:28:24
You don't get a severance. You know, they don't pay you quit. Right?
So this whole idea at the end of thirty days, I've gotta do nothing for
thirty days and not make money was crazy. Well, two days,
before I actually had my last day.
My boss who was one of there was three executive vice
presidents that ran this organization that just got different roles.
And by then, we were really good friends. He came in and he goes hey, man.
So I wanna let you know I was able to go to battle for you.
And I actually got you four week Severance day.
So I was like,
Juliet Hahn 00:28:56
Clint Hatton 00:28:58
Yes. You know? Yeah.
Juliet Hahn 00:28:58
Clint Hatton 00:29:01
Awesome because we were, you know, we were lean with zero. You know, we were prepared for that.
Juliet Hahn 00:29:06
Clint Hatton 00:29:06
But I really feel like you know, that decision
had to be made in that space where we were jumping out and say.
And so then it got even crazier the next day, which was my
actual last day, you know, I'm doing the cake saying on
you know, hug and necks and saying goodbye, everybody and
key texted that he was Belgium. Actually, he had to lead to go to a
a venue to check things out with Belgium. He checks me and he goes, make that
Juliet Hahn 00:29:29
Clint Hatton 00:29:31
Hey. Now I got my thirties a's plus two each you. That's pretty sweet. You know?
So that was cool. You know? That was really cool.
So what happened was... So now, Juliet, you know, I'm I've got thirty days. I've
been traveling all this time. And so we did a bunch of Diy project
together, you know, painted walls and did some things and just hung out with the kid and
just enjoyed live, but then, you know, thirty days comes right.
And thirty days seem like it lasted about
Juliet Hahn 00:29:57
Clint Hatton 00:29:59
a week. You can.
You know, at the end of thirty days now, you know, I'm allowed to go
look for a job. So, you know, I I felt like, again, I was called
two ministry at that stage in my life, and I really felt like it was gonna be in some sort of
speaking role in some fashion. But I wasn't... I wasn't ambitious about that.
You know? So most of the jobs that I applied forward were back
into, you know, the corporate world because I been doing the sales for so long.
And then what happened when, day was there was a
there was a particular ministry down Louisiana. Now this is, like, six months Africa train.
Juliet Hahn 00:30:36
Clint Hatton 00:30:36
So everybody can kinda remember how bad that was. It was a really awful joy.
Juliet Hahn 00:30:39
Clint Hatton 00:30:41
And Need that they're looking for a youth pastor. I was just looking on the website to just
check up and see what was going on down there. And I turned to my wife and I said,
His name was Jesse Plants said He's looking for a youth pastor.
Joking. Like killing guilty because it's Louisiana, Katrina,
we live in North Dallas. We're loving it. We just bought in new house, you know, just a couple years before.
And she goes well
shoot we let god decide. No like no, gosh. Okay. Yeah. Whatever I.
Spirit. You know now we could do that. You know? Because there was a zero risk
Nobody hear me down there. You know? And plus,
by now, I'm, like, forty years old.
Who wants a forty year old with, you know, use faster, who, by the way,
has never even been to a user or in an entire life because I didn't even, you know, get involved
until I in my thirties. So I just... I live I literally
got my resume.
Hit. I prayed over it. Like, you might bless a bowl of cereal. Right? I'm That.
And then I just hit sin. I'm like, oh okay. I did my job. You know? Thinking
Juliet Hahn 00:31:42
Clint Hatton 00:31:45
not think of that and just moved on
Well, everybody's already probably guess where this story is going. So
ultimately, they contacted me. We ended up feeling really honored that they wanted to talk to us
we flew down. They flows down, and we ended up
going on staff of this church. It was just such great me. There was a lot of hurt people
many who had just literally lost loved ones and loss
Juliet Hahn 00:32:06
Clint Hatton 00:32:08
everything they owned. I mean, it was just really felt like we could go down there and do some good.
Now the reason why I wanted to bring that part up is because I just left you with
this whole idea that I had a six week severance. Right?
So another part of this was
when when I got hired by them,
I really felt once again, I got very unusual instruction. This had never happened before.
Never happens since.
To not even negotiate my salary.
So I literally started doing the job and didn't even know one
I was even put on the payroll yet, let alone what that paycheck was gonna be.
Don't recommend. But that's what I did.
Juliet Hahn 00:32:45
Clint Hatton 00:32:46
So this goes by, you know, for a couple weeks. Now let me point out really quick that that six weeks
severance that I was given was not paid out in a lump sum.
It was paid out over three pay periods.
So one day, I... I they fly me down. I'm going back in
forth literally because we hadn't found a place to live yet in Louisiana.
So I'm driving down a couple of times. I'm flying down
they slimy me down. They picked me up to the airport.
And the senior pastors say, by the way,
I just wanna let you know, we already put you on the payroll.
And I have a check for you.
My. That's feels great. Right.
Juliet Hahn 00:33:20
Clint Hatton 00:33:22
And getting paid. You know, I don't know what. But well, here's what's crazy. Why share that story?
So what nobody knew of the me
because I've never told them that I had a severance from the other you know, organization.
Is that the last of the three paychecks from that organization
I received the same exact day.
Juliet Hahn 00:33:40
Clint Hatton 00:33:41
That I got the first paycheck.
From the new organization.
So, you know, God just kinda worked it all out, and we never even missed
single day. So it was the pretty amazing
time of our life. You know, a lot of challenges, And was a complete disaster
you know, God was moving.
Juliet Hahn 00:33:56
Now did you... So I know you said you had bought the place in Dallas a few years ago.
Clint Hatton 00:34:04
Juliet Hahn 00:34:04
So with there kind of thoughts, okay, We're gonna rent
Dallas out to see how long this is and how this works or
we're gonna just sell it and, you know, just jump in with two feet.
Clint Hatton 00:34:12
That's a great question. Well, we did Wrestle without that
Now you gotta... You gotta understand the timeline. Everybody's gonna do the math. This is two thousand and six.
Juliet Hahn 00:34:22
Clint Hatton 00:34:23
Two thousand and seven. We know where
the outlet market in Doctor go. Right?
Juliet Hahn 00:34:29
Clint Hatton 00:34:29
But let we read decision, we we didn't know that yet. You know?
And so we ended up actually deciding, well, let's just lease it out.
Juliet Hahn 00:34:35
Clint Hatton 00:34:36
And we can hang on to it and we'll end up having a passive income. And, you know, that was
that was idea. Right? I hope so we did. Well,
that was part of why I said there were some really great things happening, and then there were some great challenges
the people that ended up moving in were people that
we knew the wife
for many years.
She was relatively newly married. Didn't know him so much.
And it really on paper look like a real win win situation.
Well, we had no idea. And even she didn't know at the time how bad their situation was.
Because he was hiding some things. Literally, the first mon Juliet
they were over three weeks late, making that payment.
Juliet Hahn 00:35:13
Clint Hatton 00:35:15
You know? And, you know, we're use young old pastors. So we weren't
exactly breaking it in And so it became
some of a nightmare, and it actually got to one point where they
weren't able to pay for over three months. So it was it... It was tough. It was a really tough
time, you know,
we could've have sued them. We could've have done a for variety of different things, but we just really felt like.
We still need to somehow keep that relationship intact.
So eventually, you know, we said, hey, you have to move out. You know, you you just have to you have to go
find and work because you can't pay us. And so that's what happened, and we ended up
short selling the house. We got some help from family to kinda offset
the cost of that. And so that was really, really tough.
You know, because when we went to the Louisiana,
again, post Katrina, anybody who was downer there at that time would know this there was
almost no howling.
Juliet Hahn 00:36:03
Clint Hatton 00:36:05
It was very difficult. We couldn't even find a place to rest
there was nowhere to rent unless it was in a place where
you probably wanna wear a flat jacket every day you get me out of the house too. So
Juliet Hahn 00:36:14
Right. And and... Yeah and how old were the boys at this time?
Clint Hatton 00:36:17
Yeah. So that was a gabriel liam were rough
please five and two
Juliet Hahn 00:36:21
Clint Hatton 00:36:24
so they were very little, you know, very young.
And so we up happened to buy house in the really of the only way this
thing was gonna worse.
So that was a that was a blessing at the time too, you know, until we get into
Oh, eight. When we wanted to sell this same in the housing crisis And then we went through all the other theories
disaster was spoke. But we don't think was not our thing back in the you know, two thousand and six
two thousand and eight.
But we moved, and we we had a beautiful home on the bio. I actually was just joking with someone not
before we got on this call about seeing alligators every day and that never getting old, you know?
So life was good. You know, we were we were doing what we felt like we were called to do. There was challenges
tough stuff, but there is also blessing in.
Juliet Hahn 00:37:06
Right. And also, you know, thinking about where you came from and
California, California and the south are also very different.
You know, maybe a similar climate but very different
values and and how people kind of do things. But
So, I mean, in the kids being five and two, so the oldest
Well, have... You know, had memories, like, you know, okay. This is interesting, but I'm watch
mom and dad kinda do this and grow something. And as you said, there's some excitement, which is
you know, always... It's fun for kids to see. Like, this is, like good stuff.
So how long were you guys there?
I I... I mean, I think you said you sold in two thousand and eight. What kind of
took you away from that.
Clint Hatton 00:37:45
part of this story and how we ended up there. My
my senior associate pastor at the time of the church when we were still here in Dallas.
Who was really my mentor.
He was not so thrilled when he found out that I had to suggestion
Juliet Hahn 00:38:03
Clint Hatton 00:38:02
or had accepted rather a position.
Down Louisiana, and I had no idea that they had been working behind the scenes
find a role for me here. It wasn't a pastor, which you know, I wasn't driven to be a pastor.
But I just didn't know any of that until I had already committed it.
So I left that behind. And, honestly, we were good with that.
We we knew we were supposed to go to the Louisiana.
But after a couple of years, what ended am happening was he ended up
taking over a church in Seattle Washington or near Seattle.
That was part of the family of the Church Dallas.
It was autonomous, but they were related. And so
he took that over and a couple months into that, which was, you know, latter part of two thousands
Assets if we would just come in
you know. And so we did we took our own time vacation time we wouldn't visit
and we just all felt like, wow we're supposed to be here with you now.
You know, this is like a dream come true.
To help them build something because they were our mentors, You know?
So we even have doing, you know, everything right he contacted
the pastors and founders of the church we are part of and had a great conversation
just said, listen, these are our you know, spiritual kids, if you will.
And so keep them as long need them, but let's start moving towards
you know, helping find your replacement. So we did that we were there for a little while.
Waiting for them to, you know, make sure that they are in good shape. We didn't leave them cold.
And so they end up hiring who they wanted to hire. And next thing you knew, we were
on our way to Seattle with this is the the crazy part that's where do it. So
you know, the time of the year now, how does aren't really selling right this minute.
So we just packed everything we could into our suitcases.
Juliet Hahn 00:39:43
Clint Hatton 00:39:43
And moved to Seattle, leaving the house.
Staged all the kids extra toy. Everything was there.
Hoping that we could somehow sell that house in the next couple of months.
And that didn't happen. In a be
you're... You know, being almost two years later, actually, that we finally actually
was able to short sale that house. So it was a
Juliet Hahn 00:40:03
Clint Hatton 00:40:04
told disaster. But we ended up in Seattle under that premise.
Juliet Hahn 00:40:06
Right. And so now with the kids still five and two or now
this, like, a little bit more
Clint Hatton 00:40:11
Just a couple years. So now we're talking probably seven and four
But this is when shortly asked, we'd only been there for maybe
about a year.
You know, we were done. I know, you know, you guys have never been through as far of it, but we had the first two
And, you know, we have suffered through a missed miscarriage in between Gabriel and Joel,
she has not responded well of pregnancy ever. You know, Gabriel was
three weeks twelve excuse me, six weeks early.
Juliet Hahn 00:40:38
Clint Hatton 00:40:41
About three pounds six ounces because she got severe pre cl.
When Jill came along,
key went full term. We escaped that, but then
after she was trying to... Well, actually, when she was trying to go into
deliver him because she was stuck at two, like, twelve hours trying to do natural delivery.
The wasn't working.
They didn't know what they were gonna do. Eventually, it finally took, but then when
Joel was delivered. I was in there with the room with her, and
I mean, with him and and, you know, he's healthy and
I'm side next, they pulled me into the room.
They actually wanted my help. She wasn't coming out of the anesthesia.
Juliet Hahn 00:41:16
Clint Hatton 00:41:19
So that went on for several hours. It was very scary, You know, everybody
had that doctors are obviously very professional but everybody had that look concerned that this is not
Juliet Hahn 00:41:27
Clint Hatton 00:41:29
So after that, we were done. Yes like we're done.
Good choose the even number we're done. You know?
But about a year into living in Louisiana, I... You know, I can see it.
Juliet Hahn 00:41:42
Yeah. Well, what
Clint Hatton 00:41:42
picking up babies and know.
Juliet Hahn 00:41:46
Yeah. When babies get to a certain age, I mean, it's really funny because we have three and they're
Clint Hatton 00:41:50
Juliet Hahn 00:41:50
all two years apart, a little less than tears years apart. The last two or, like,
a little, like, you know, two months older than two years apart, whatever.
Like I I wanna always wanted it to be a mom. Guy, you know, I knew I wanted to say home with the kids. I
babies app from a very young age. I love children, especially babies.
And so I remember, and I was our delivery
was not great. We got pregnant right away. We were very fortunate, but then
complicated. Like, I was late with every single one and I had emergency Vegetarian for
you know, the first, and I had a crazy recovery and
you know, the second was a little bit better, but the doctors were like, it's really not
I'm my but wasn't the first So it's definitely be hundred because of this. Third was better.
But even when I was pregnant, I was not a nice person.
And it's so crazy because I'm a... I and I'm not judy moment. I'm a pretty nice person of a pretty
you, I have a lot of energy good disposition. I'm a kind person when I was pregnant,
like, all of a sudden that my husband be, like, I think you're pregnant. And I'd be like,
Clint Hatton 00:42:50
Juliet Hahn 00:42:48
Oh you let me go take that. Because I just became... People when I'm my first
I stayed home after the first, but, like, when I was pregnant, I was obviously... With the first, I was working.
And I remember them being like, you just became like,
scary. I just became really short. Had no patience for anything or anyone.
Move a grill pain. So when we were... He was... My husband's a little bit older than me.
Not much, like, four years, But I remember saying, like, let's
Let's do, like, after, like, literally the our daughter came. And I was, like,
Okay. I could do this again. This is amazing. And he's like,
Clint Hatton 00:43:17
Oh my god
Juliet Hahn 00:43:19
No. No. No No. So then we ended up we have two dogs.
But I remember at that age, like, when they became, like, neither seven months
to a year. It went I'm not at seven months. Like, I
year to two years. It was like, oh, I missed
Clint Hatton 00:43:33
Juliet Hahn 00:43:34
like, that newborn like baby. And so
it's just something inside. I think some people, like, so I have had friends that were like, oh, hated that stage.
It's like, the worst I love when they're, like, you know, twelve and thirteen or you know whatever?
So it's is very interesting. So she you could feel that she was like,
Hold in the babies I'm, like, oh, I really. I don't know if I'm done.
Clint Hatton 00:43:53
Oh, totally. Yeah. I mean, in tour credit, you know,
I was lucky she did. She did not turn me. Did she pregnant it?
To broke a lot of stuff. You know, when she's start breaking things, you know, glass dishes issues. I'm like, oh,
Juliet Hahn 00:44:03
Clint Hatton 00:44:06
you need go keep... We go get this day thumbs up. You know, But
anyway, So what what have I'm watching? You know, and she didn't really
she didn't push it. She didn't really, you know, much say anything about it.
But you could just see it. And so we ended up eventually having a conversation and in my
my heart kinda softened to the idea.
So we decided to, you know,
see what happens. We'll try for the girl. Right? We got two boys.
Whatever that looks like, guys. So don't know how you try for that. We're gonna try for girl.
And so that didn't work either. We didn't we didn't create another
Juliet Hahn 00:44:36
Clint Hatton 00:44:39
girl we create a boy, but what happened was for six months? You know, seemed like,
and you're going pretty good. You know, I mean, she's has the normal sickness
you get in morning sickness and stuff like that. But nothing serious. And then
I'm I'm leaving one morning because all this time has went on.
In our house in Louisiana is just not bud. And we live there now
over year with nothing more than what we had put in the suitcase.
Juliet Hahn 00:45:00
Clint Hatton 00:45:03
And so we decided we're gonna... I'm gonna go down. We're gonna load
I'm gonna work with movers, load the house up. We're gonna leave
a place up here and we're at least gonna normalize our life
and whatever happens with the house happens with house. So literally, I'm
leaving the front door to jump on a flight.
From Washington to Louisiana, and she's like, you know,
I don't feel the best today, but I'm okay. I'm like, okay. Okay. I'll, call you when I get there.
So Juliet, that's like that. You can't fly directly using those days from Seattle to
oh, to Nolan. So it took me about eight nine hours of travel time to actually
land there. So by the time I got there, it was
I get in my rental car. I start driving. I call her and I said, how are you doing? She goes
things have really turned bad.
Juliet Hahn 00:45:50
Clint Hatton 00:45:51
She was already at a hospital.
Her blood pressure had skyrocketed to. And I don't remember the exact numbers that it was like,
two twenty over a hundred something. I mean, it was just really bad.
And she's telling me
they think they wanna take me to this special hospital with an Unit.
Then I may have to get birth to tonight, and I'm just like, oh my. You gotta be freaking kidding me, you know?
Juliet Hahn 00:46:13
Clint Hatton 00:46:13
Your. Doesn't landed. You know? So
literally, I drove to a Walmart on the way to our house
down there to just grab some quick supplies.
Told I would call her when I got there. And by the time I arrived to the house,
things have gotten even worse and they were definitely gonna transporter her
they were planning on giving her a a steroid shot, which was really
put up being liam, than her because now, you know, she's
only twenty seven weeks.
Juliet Hahn 00:46:39
Clint Hatton 00:46:43
So, ultimately, I was in Louis and until seventy and the next morning.
I arrived at, like, seven o'clock and now, and was on a flight in seven Am.
Took me all day to get back that I got back in time.
The st shot did its job it bought us forty eight hours.
And so that's really so... The... You know, because obviously, twenty seven weeks, you're not really
and it we're close to fully develop the rate to come out of the wound, but that gives you a better
Juliet Hahn 00:47:07
Clint Hatton 00:47:07
shock with your lungs in your heart. So
I get back and about a day after I get back, they're, like,
it's time because by then, she had slipped into full blown help
is what it's called. And so that's when literally your major organs are beginning to
shut down and
if they don't take the favor you're gonna die. And, of course, the baby could die too.
So they shuffle us into a room and
you know, it was just... I was actually at the the head. They had a screenshot and see. You know, those
the hard stuff going on with the way they were trying to get him out.
Stuff Music was just an nightmare. You stuck I can get him out.
Juliet Hahn 00:47:44
Clint Hatton 00:47:45
Out this baby and, you know, he was one pound fourteen ounces.
Juliet Hahn 00:47:48
Clint Hatton 00:47:50
So it just it just look like this
little alien. I mean to be, you know,
Juliet Hahn 00:47:55
Clint Hatton 00:47:57
like it doesn't look like a baby baby. You know?
And so they throw me into the specially unit where they put him in this
special cocoon, start hooking up, you know, all the different devices he was gonna need to survive. And
you know, had to leave her in their hands. So it was pretty dramatic.
Pretty dramatic. And this is
Juliet Hahn 00:48:14
Clint Hatton 00:48:16
kinda began our journey of, you know, having our third child, but
and on how far we wanna go with the story, obviously, you know, he's thirteen now, he's done really well. He's
black belt Martial artists. You know, he's tough in the nail.
You know, that worked out for us, but these are all stories. You know, that
ultimately, I think, lay a foundation for at least in some ways to be able to handle what we face
Juliet Hahn 00:48:37
Well, I mean, that that's the thing I was just literally thinking. I actually can really talk
for about five hours. And I know in the beginning of this, you know, show, I had said,
you know, what you guys have created out of tragedy, and I'm sure people are thinking that
this was the tragedy, and it's not as you just said,
you know, Liam is a healthy thirteen year old boy. So you guys
or now though and you know, I we don't need to go into this part.
But people know when you have a baby and Nick you. I mean, the
you're in there you don't you can't bond. There's I mean, so many different things.
Clint Hatton 00:49:11
Juliet Hahn 00:49:11
That you guys had to go through. Your wife had to go through as, you know,
as her hormones are leaving, and that's you know, tough. I've had friends that this has happened to.
And it's really, you know, like when your breast milk is coming in and you
there's so much stuff that your body prepares you as a mom, and then
for it to be taken early. Your body just goes through in your mind, everything just really
go... So I mean, remarkable that your wife, you know,
it obviously came on out on the... The right side, but
thing that one question I do wanna ask is I mean,
when this is all going on, you now have also
you're older too. So how old are they? When
Clint Hatton 00:49:49
So at that point, let's see.
Gabriel had to have been
of about eight years old,
and Joel would have been about five
Juliet Hahn 00:49:59
Clint Hatton 00:50:02
So and actually, let me add you based on what you just said because there's so many layers even to this story.
This was also during the h1 one in one
virus, which we don't remember that quite as well just because of how devastated
in Code was. But the rules, everything was pretty much same. So for
two and a half month
Juliet Hahn 00:50:19
Clint Hatton 00:50:21
every single day, we had to go down well we didn't have to, but we
obviously wanted you to go see him.
But we were the only two. No. The boys couldn't medium him. The
grandparents, and uncles, nobody but the two of us
could even see him for two and a half months if he was in the Knee.
So there were many times that Gabriel and Joel
literally, we, you know, go down there with them, and they sit in the
the waiting area and, you know, just sit and try to
keep them themselves was occupied while we went visit with Liam for a couple of hours and
delivered milk, and that's a whole other issue, you know, because as you said, her bottle,
Juliet Hahn 00:50:56
Clint Hatton 00:50:58
producing, like it would if it had been longer
So there was a... You know, there was a myriad of challenges that went along with that.
Juliet Hahn 00:51:05
Right. I mean, and and as we... You know, anyone that's joining just now,
We have Chris Hat on. He is the author of big bull brave. You
can confined his website, big bold dot us. You can also find them in all the social
Clinton has had did I say Chris?
No. I said clint
Clint Hatton 00:51:23
Oh, don't worry. Creative gland that happens all
Juliet Hahn 00:51:25
No. But did I... No. But also sudden I was like, wait.
Did I say Chris? Or did I say clint?
Clint Hatton 00:51:30
Wait chris One time, And it's okay. I knew you're gonna correct.
Juliet Hahn 00:51:31
Oh yeah. Sorry. Yeah. No. I was like, wait a second.
As I came out. But so Clint has had
I mean, you've lived
kind of for about fifteen people.
I mean, from where you were as a child, parents and divorced than your drug use until
thirty. I mean, in new first marriage, meeting your wife,
you know, going to a ministry down after Katrina. I mean, there's so many different
things when someone puts this out, and this is why story really connected
go there gonna be people that are listening into to the story that are gonna connect with different parts.
And I oh... You know, I'll have people with client's podcast gas that will say
my story is really not that big of a deal because of
you know, they'll hear some of the story like yourself and they're were like, wow. I mean, I've just
you know I had the... Like, a little thing over here, but it doesn't matter how big someone's
story is. And I I love the big bold brave because I think that's not just
for the tragedy that happens in your life, but I think that you've kind of lived a big bold
brave life, your entire life, and and then bringing your wife into it as well.
I think it's really important for people to hear and also understand that just because
their story is not as tragic or they haven't had as many layers.
Right? There's the layers part doesn't mean significant.
It it it happened to you, and that is important because what happens to you shaped you
to be a certain person. So, you know,
clint I it it is you have had so many liars. And we haven't even gotten to
you know what really kinda connected us as well.
Clint Hatton 00:53:05
I one thing to got Juliet, you know, because I'm roger said that, you know,
people may think that sounds strange, but
that's how we saw myself too, really?
You know, I I know they're... I'm gonna... I mean, when I sit back and I think but if I write a list,
Juliet Hahn 00:53:20
Clint Hatton 00:53:20
wow. That looks like a lot. You know? But I don't deal that way.
You know, over the years. I didn't see myself and this person who's
been through all this stuff and all you know, had all these
either just really difficult challenges or in some cases and tragedy,
it really wasn't until, you know, more where we are today that
in in my search to help people, and we don't have to go there yet. But
Just realized, you know, gosh, you know? I again, I really do have a lot of different
that I could really have empathy and compassion for people and be able to help them. But
I'm only saying that right now because
Yeah. Comparing the stories is such a bad idea.
Juliet Hahn 00:53:59
Clint Hatton 00:54:00
There's nothing can you don't need to compare it to anything. I hear all time of people
story and I take, oh my gosh. I haven't been through anything.
Juliet Hahn 00:54:03
Right? But that's what I mean, again, you know, universe guide,
God was preparing you for
you know, what happens later in your life?
Because if you didn't have some of the other challenges,
and and this was just my opinion. But, you know, And I think when people
if something really tragic happens, and they've never had
anything happened in their life, it takes them down
And again, this was just my my opinion, I just feel like it
takes them down
And I don't wanna say more because that's not. I I'm not saying that you... You know,
haven't been taken down and suffered. But I just think that
it is it is different. And so I do wanna touch on. So when
your youngest was in the nick
you did you have any of those experiences where it was like,
we don't know if he's gonna make it. Like, how many times did that happen? Or... I mean, I'm
sure. He was born at one pound. So
Clint Hatton 00:54:59
Juliet Hahn 00:55:01
If you can take us through that a little bit,
Clint Hatton 00:55:02
Yeah. Well, really too me account, and I I don't say that for the sake of being
Juliet Hahn 00:55:06
Clint Hatton 00:55:07
matt. It's just anybody who gaining this
you know, they hook up, you know, all the different devices because what's
happening at twenty seven weeks and up until, you know, your
another couple months down the road.
is still learning to communicate with all of the major organs
So one of the scariest things that happens is something that
there's a... They shortened it by calling it a Brady episode.
There's a medical term for. I won't try to
pronounced. But a brady episode is just simply when
the devices they have hooked up
take up on the fact that they're forgetting to breathe.
Juliet Hahn 00:55:41
Clint Hatton 00:55:43
their body just doesn't even know to breathe because there's not that constant connection between the brain and lungs.
Juliet Hahn 00:55:51
Clint Hatton 00:55:50
And so what happens is is this bell will start going on.
You know? And and back in those reason I used to call them belt
hell because, you know, every time that thing went off, which was several times a day every day,
Juliet Hahn 00:56:00
Clint Hatton 00:56:02
And then, of course, this is a huge knee unit as well.
So it was it was actually the biggest one the state of washington
which was good in some ways because they were set up
But you also had, like, fifty other of these
you know, cubicle around the
spade. And so you could hear other people's bells going off too. So, you know, it was really stressful.
Juliet Hahn 00:56:22
Clint Hatton 00:56:23
But that bell would start going off and you're just like, okay. Come on. Come on. Come on.
And I don't remember, you know, how long
you could let the bell go. It seems like, way too long But
Juliet Hahn 00:56:32
Clint Hatton 00:56:35
but it happen to if if he did self correct,
within a pretty short amount of time, then a nurse would come over
and it would not him through plastic gloves, you know, too He was in a
isolate contained the entire time.
trying to browse him. And, of course, you know, he did. But, yeah, it was... It was
frightening every single time that pulling went off, and there's always something in to back your head
is that, you know,
Juliet Hahn 00:56:59
Right. And, you know, and I have to say. This felt so random.
But I bb.
When I was twelve, eleven, twelve thirteen around there,
our neighbors were two twins, and they were prem.
And they came home with that bell. This was I mean, they're in their thirties now.
They came home with that bell. And I remember my
family lived joined across the street. The mom, and I mean, they had just gone through this
or ordeal. Right? They exhausted. They just wanted have one night out, and they're like, they're strong enough.
Clint Hatton 00:57:28
Juliet Hahn 00:57:29
But if that ballot goes off, you need to really. And it was Alexander, really,
that was the one that was a little weaker. And I just remember I was telling someone that
destroyer or our head fit in my hand and they were like, wait pounds for you. And I was like,
now listen. I I have a lot of siblings. I was really good with kids. My mom was literally right across the
But, you know, these these these parents were, like, we just need a night out. We just need a night out. We trust
you're gonna do it, But I remember I talk about that bell. And
and I don't recall if it ever went out. I feel like it did go off because I remember
being, like, you know, a kid being like, I'm just... I'm not gonna even sit down. I'm just gonna share at these little these little
Clint Hatton 00:58:03
Juliet Hahn 00:58:04
little bird. I used to call them little birds, and I'd would be like, I'm gonna call them. You know,
And if it went off, I would be like, okay.
I mean, and so this is, obviously, they were in the Nicu for
month and months months, They were strong enough to go home but they still had those ballots
so I remember those bells. But being parent, I never had
you know, go through that. So I mean, you guys went through that
when did he come home? And if you can take us through that story before we then, you know, continue on,
Clint Hatton 00:58:32
Yeah. So so that goes on for quite a while, and so it was about two and a half months
later, he needed to get to... Oh my memory fills me a little bit. It was like,
Juliet Hahn 00:58:43
Clint Hatton 00:58:41
four, five pounds. So was still very small, but there was there was a marker that he had to reach
he finally did
And then we also... Just like you describing they at home with the device to to
monster with a bell. I don't remember him having it once we went
he had pretty much stopped doing it by the time they sent his own.
But I do remember taking home in hoping that
Juliet Hahn 00:59:02
Clint Hatton 00:59:05
know now now we're at the house where a certain five minute drive in the hospital, this thing better not go off. Right?
Juliet Hahn 00:59:08
Clint Hatton 00:59:11
You know, we went through that. And so my band, of course,
Joel and Gabriel meet him for the first time. So that was exciting.
But at the same time, you know, it was just... It was really tough. And so
Juliet Hahn 00:59:21
And exhausting. I'm sure you guys were probably exhausted.
Clint Hatton 00:59:24
Yeah. We were and, you know, this is a
not really a rabbit trail, but, you know, this was just kind of our life at that time, You know?
I had taken on other roles as well. So I was gonna to using you adults pastor, you know, a
at some point in time during the seven years that we were in Washington and most of this was after Liam.
I led pretty much every department
except for accounting at some point, You know? So there was all this responsibility to and you
guilty you because, you know, obviously, your priority is to your to bride and your baby and
at same time, you know, I don't want everybody down. And so
we were kind of dealing with all that stuff. And Emeralds really couldn't help. I mean, all she could do
at that time, was recover and and, you know, nurture liam, the best she could
so that was all going on. You know, I actually
...we only need talking about the book right now, of course, But in the book I actually talk about
collaboration because what ended up happening during that, that was kinda of beautiful, and I think it's
speaks you even in a family.
What you're alluding to that I think is true that there were things that
helped us develop some muscles for
Juliet Hahn 01:00:25
Clint Hatton 01:00:29
even harder things.
I realized that
Okay. I'm a bit of a control for equal certain things.
I need to just release my my team
to just run with things not have to, you know, bypass so many things off of me.
Need to collaborate on a greater level than we ever had. I need to just trust
so all that was mixed up in this too.
And that ended up changing my life.
Juliet Hahn 01:00:51
Clint Hatton 01:00:54
Because by the time we got to where we really could come back,
which was you know, a few months.
Before I could really come back into my role and truly
have this full capacity again.
I no longer need to do any of those things because the leaders that we had, which were all like young
Would just kill?
And, frankly, they didn't need me to do a lot of time more I
thought I had to do
And so that even became true with, you know, Gabriel and Joel, even though they were pretty young.
They were doing stuff around the house and helping and mommy me out and
you know, we worked more as a team to kinda get through it.
So even though it was a hard time, it was
it was pivotal, and it was really something that I think
you know, in the long term, helped us tremendously as a
family unit be able to handle the gut punches alive.
Juliet Hahn 01:01:42
Right. Which I think is really true.
So... Okay. So he comes home. You guys in Seattle one
did you then move back to Texas?
Clint Hatton 01:01:52
Juliet Hahn 01:01:52
And so I know that there's gonna be, like, a a space because we're gonna go from when they're, like, ten
to then, you know, how you created just, you know, your whole coaching and
Clint Hatton 01:01:58
Juliet Hahn 01:02:01
in your buck.
Clint Hatton 01:02:02
Well, so They did really well, you know, for two years, while we were still there because
we had him. We were there for almost another six years, like, five six years.
They had always predicted. You know, doctors saying this could happen that
to happen, We had to go meet with a doctor, like, every actually four doctors
on a regular basis for, like, two years.
Juliet Hahn 01:02:21
Clint Hatton 01:02:23
Aged everything never had any kind of the cognitive
speech issues in that kind. So life was really pretty stable
for several years there. Ultimately, what it have how
Julia so we out there for seven years. Now you
your listeners already know now. I'm from Sunny Southern California.
We years here in very Sunny, Texas and sunny, Louisiana,
and my wife is Puerto Rican. She was born in Puerto Rico. Didn't move to Florida until
she was twelve, and then she was in Florida. So the gray
Juliet Hahn 01:02:53
Clint Hatton 01:02:54
gray. And missed
just begins, like, water treatment to us. Right?
Juliet Hahn 01:03:00
Clint Hatton 01:03:02
And... So that honestly was
a huge part in us just designed that you know what? Plus
all of our family, you know, really was between Texas and Florida.
You... We still have beautiful friendships who day in watching, but we just felt like we wanna go back. So
we had a lot of conversations with the pastors that we were
for over the course of months, just again, make sure that this is the right decision at the right time.
And, ultimately, we came to that conclusion. And so we moved
again, blind thesis, is another one of those
didn't have a promise of anything coming back here to
to where we live here in Mexican Texas, which is just outside of Dallas.
But we we knew we wanted to make that move. And so we did. And
So you'll laugh at this. You know, because by now, we've got three kids. Right? And I'm
Not quite fifty yet, but I'm getting close to fifty at that point.
So we had to move on with parents for two and half months.
And when, you know, now they
my my father lives is a of pretty high level pain management
runs a very large facility, so bitter
they're you know, financially very well often So space wasn't the issue. They had tons
have big house. But you don't
my your late forties with three kids to move back home. It's just
not really on anybody
goal radar alright. And so that went on like,
two and a half months. We really thought, like, with our experience and with our old church
which now had spread out over five different cities
Juliet Hahn 01:04:36
Clint Hatton 01:04:32
that something was gonna have really quick and and it didn't happen that way.
And so we we've spent two and a half months
kids going to, you know, new schools and
it our my father mother more amazing people.
We're very, very fortunate. So we do have a good relationship
but it's still created stress.
Juliet Hahn 01:04:55
Right. Totally. And I mean, just... I mean, it's, again, it's the unknown
but also, I think about what a great experience
for your kids and the grandparents.
Right? They get to be together in this really wonderful kind of time
which, you know,
Clint Hatton 01:05:10
maybe both be much.
Juliet Hahn 01:05:11
Clint Hatton 01:05:14
You're you are right. It was beautiful, but then it was just
I mean, liam little Joel is so pretty little A lot of energy. It was a lot for them to change.
Juliet Hahn 01:05:20
For them. Right. Right. Right. Right. Three boys. I mean, And I'm gonna people
obviously say boys, my daughter was
I think more active than even the boys are. So I I hate that stereotype, but if you have an
doesn't matter if there a boy or girl. Yes.
Generally girls sit in color. None of my kids did. I didn't... We were not that type of family we
up and moving. So we were always running up and down the hallway
you know, running this way, jumping on here, jumping there. So right
was a lot of energy for your for your end laws.
Clint Hatton 01:05:48
Absolutely. Yeah. And for us, you know, you want to break anything and just all that stuff.
Juliet Hahn 01:05:51
Clint Hatton 01:05:53
So But, you know, couple months go by and eventually, you know, things that the doors
open up for us to actually go on staff.
Back with the church that we were originally just a part of
here in Dallas only at their Mexican campus, which is right where we wanted to live.
So, ultimately, those things work out.
And so we started a new journey, you know, here.
So that journey, I know, went on for about five years.
you know, the boys were doing well, They were thriving. It was during the a time.
That my oldest on Gabriel, his passion for aviation really began to kick in.
You know, I think he was about eight when he went up
in a plane with his uncle Danny for the first time, You know, He just
it was like, you know, I'll hear this way, but I've gotta have my morning coffee.
I mean, it's like...
Juliet Hahn 01:06:36
Clint Hatton 01:06:39
That's that's my math now. You know? That that mean it's like. You know?
Juliet Hahn 01:06:44
Clint Hatton 01:06:43
And that's kinda how it was you know, you went up that one time. I was like, I've gotta do this
Juliet Hahn 01:06:48
Clint Hatton 01:06:48
you know, go that with all happening during this time too.
Juliet Hahn 01:06:53
Clint Hatton 01:06:52
And I don't know if we wanna jump in that part of the story yet, but ultimately
Juliet Hahn 01:06:57
Clint Hatton 01:06:57
you. So by now, you know, things are moving
going well. Again, life is pretty good, you know?
And everybody's healthy, Liam Wealthy Joel health Gabriel is helping.
So Gabriel starts high school and at fourteen,
he enters an aviation program. He's a night. Now that's pretty unusual. There's
really only a couple of school districts
in the country that have the four year
Juliet Hahn 01:07:21
Clint Hatton 01:07:22
aviation educational program.
Again, this is other one of the things we're feeling like,
Oh my gosh.
How fortunate are we you know, how blessed are we the this
this workout, you know, and for us, God knew this and this is amazing.
That same year, he joined
and aviation club. It was called Tango thirty one Aero club.
That's simply a little small club that was
created by a guy who
you know, has been the aviation industry for decades. It's kind of salty
Oh, guy. Love the death.
Juliet Hahn 01:07:54
Clint Hatton 01:07:55
Some of your listeners actually may know who he is because he's not clean famous and
Juliet Hahn 01:07:59
Yeah. He just he's clapping down the in the audience here.
What one of those nurses and I gotta get close.
And I'm sorry if I pronounce your name Wrong Rad, he's... He's clapping. So he's
I think he knows
Clint Hatton 01:08:12
You may know where this is going. So his his name is Kevin Lacey.
And where your listeners may be familiar with him as he was one of the stars of airplane
bow, which it a show that ran on, I know discovery channel I wanna say was on something else as well. So he's
pretty well known, but you want health kid.
You wanna to help He... He always had to work for everything so he wanted help teenagers
dream and and become pilot or aircraft maintenance if that's what they wanna to do.
Juliet Hahn 01:08:35
Clint Hatton 01:08:37
So same thing. This freshman here, another just amazing opportunity opens up Right?
absolutely cert you wants to be a pilot.
So we begin that everything's good.
And then by the time sixteen, now he's
you you have to earn air airtime with tango
excuse me thirty one through Sweat equity.
So they're literally doing well change
and eventually, I had they get more skilled, they're doing, you know, engine maintenance and
they've had new planes brought in and pieces and putting planes together. I mean, it was really an amazing thing.
Juliet Hahn 01:09:10
Clint Hatton 01:09:13
He was one of the founders of it, you know, one of the founding members of it, so he became a leader
And so you got opportunities to start going up with
a, you know, slight instructor. Which was a totally free. Totally free, by the way.
Kevin set this thing up to her we literally paid fifty dollars a year and yet,
free flight instructing. They got their fuel for
wholesale cost. And it was just incredible
Juliet Hahn 01:09:34
Clint Hatton 01:09:37
blessing. Right? Opportunities.
Juliet Hahn 01:09:37
Clint Hatton 01:09:39
So he's sixteen
got skilled enough before he even had his driver's license he solo.
Juliet Hahn 01:09:43
Clint Hatton 01:09:46
Which I remember we both there, We're filming it, you know,
because we're probably start talking about fear now right? There's
there's fear layered into different parts of my story that had overcome.
He gets in the plane. He takes off for the first time by himself.
And I mean, you know, it's kinda like, you know, one of your kids using app
if you're an athlete or whatever. You know, you got that nervous energy, but you're just
so excited because you just think something great about to happen. You know?
So he get it up there, and I'm just thinking, man. This is amazing.
And then it hits you
Juliet Hahn 01:10:19
Clint Hatton 01:10:17
he has to land the effect. You know?
You know never excitement shipping to, like, almost terror, like,
Oh my gosh. And what have we done? You know, you're gonna have to land thing.
And so it was kind of scary too
his very first landing comes down and just... As he like to say,
Juliet Hahn 01:10:32
Clint Hatton 01:10:35
like butter. He just landed smoothly. You know? So he was on his way.
He was on his way.
And doing really well by the time he was seventeen, so, you know, here in the days,
you cannot earn a private pilot line certificate. So you're seventeen years old.
So he had to wait till he was seventeen, studied the exam, you know, the book, but he's ever
seen it. It's like
our old phone books back in the day in La, that were about eight inches thick, you know,
and he passes a test first time out.
Juliet Hahn 01:11:02
Clint Hatton 01:11:04
And went the written, and then he takes the check right, which is probably the most
intense in terms of just nerves.
He becomes a pilot.
Juliet Hahn 01:11:13
So I mean,
Yeah. I mean, it it had to been such, like,
you know, for you to have really struggle to find yourself into you're in your thirties
to be like, wow.
This is pretty remarkable that my kid, you know, and also feeling good about yourself.
Like these are the roots that I've given him. He's seen us travel around. He's seen us
you know, find different things be in different states. I've given him those opportunities
you know, your wife and you've given them those opportunities and to be so, like,
Clint Hatton 01:11:39
Juliet Hahn 01:11:41
this is what I wanna do had to been a very
like, as a parent, like,
Oh my god. I'm really proud. I'm proud of him, but, oh, a little proud of myself that, like,
Clint Hatton 01:11:50
Juliet Hahn 01:11:52
I've helped him kinda nurture this.
Clint Hatton 01:11:53
You'll probably relate to this. I was mostly pride and breaking
Juliet Hahn 01:11:57
Right. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. Yeah.
Clint Hatton 01:12:01
There's a a lot of it, you know, Juliet, not to discount. You know, we... I feel like we
definitely had done some good things with our kids, and we've always
top into dream big and all those things for sure. But I really felt like, you know with him. He just
he was such a unique personality. I mean,
even from very early on four or five years old, his communication skills were incredibly
wrong, like, too strong.
Juliet Hahn 01:12:21
Clint Hatton 01:12:23
Like, you know, when you got... It's one thing once they're
and they think they know everything, and they can
with only five or six. Yep. That's sound. What
Juliet Hahn 01:12:32
Clint Hatton 01:12:34
what what do you think? So we had some of that, you know,
always thought you would be a Ceo because she had to be in charge of everything, like,
we just knew... He's never gonna be able to work for anybody yeah. And then
Juliet Hahn 01:12:46
Clint Hatton 01:12:46
The other thing was a lawyer. Right? Because he'd loved to argue, and fact didn't
totally getting the way.
Juliet Hahn 01:12:56
Oh, I think we lost we lost you giant.
Clint Hatton 01:13:01
That I so admire even now and his dad,
some that I didn't even fully appreciate to be totally honest with you while you was still with us.
He was just adventurous he attacked life. If you wanted do something, he
Juliet Hahn 01:13:13
Clint Hatton 01:13:14
he taught himself how to play guitar. You know, you wanna wanna
even know you've were doing it. When we're sitting in the living room, and I hear this.
I wish I could the song, like, led that one or, you know, somebody
I hear this guitar risk that, you know, familiar with.
Look at her. Like, did you hear that?
Yeah. That sounds live. I'm like, it did. This we go to his rhythm.
And he's in their jam and on this like like,
When did you like get talk back though?
Juliet Hahn 01:13:39
Right. That's so cool.
Clint Hatton 01:13:40
Well, you'll laugh this because this our kids today. Like, there's so much
I don't know. May I'm not gonna over generalize everybody on
there's so much brave and more intentional than I wasn't that age. He's like, oh, yeah. Youtube.
Juliet Hahn 01:13:55
Clint Hatton 01:13:53
Like, how my jobs, you know,
So there is all
Juliet Hahn 01:13:56
Well, so... Yeah. He had it. He definitely had a, like,
Clint Hatton 01:14:01
Juliet Hahn 01:13:59
forward thinking kind of entrepreneur, like, you know, which again,
because your background, you know, not really kind of finding yourself and
clean of drugs until you're thirty that just had to been also, like, a little bit of enough
like an, like, oh, this kid is fascinating. I'm fascinated I am.
Clint Hatton 01:14:15
Juliet Hahn 01:14:18
you know, he gets his pilot license he's seventeen.
How many times do would he go out by himself?
Like, we're were you guys always like, okay. I wanna be on the air field somewhere or, like, connect or like, with
was it like pure freedom?
Clint Hatton 01:14:28
Yeah. We let it him be free.
Juliet Hahn 01:14:30
Clint Hatton 01:14:32
We let him be free. We'll the back just one tiny second. You know, I think
thing throughout the years that we did, especially when you start talking about my story I didn't hide that
for my kids.
Juliet Hahn 01:14:38
Clint Hatton 01:14:42
My boy know my story, you know every little detail of my story.
And so, you know, they were all aware of where
certain decisions could lead you that would be very positive, you know, things could lead you down different road and so
So he chose a lot a lot of good decisions. So I'm not so good, You know I like to drive too fast.
Juliet Hahn 01:14:57
Clint Hatton 01:14:59
But he did. He, you know, he he started flying and then once you starts solo at
point it's really just about hours. So he got license and he's just getting out
hours you do a well, you know, Kevin and
all the guys that kind surround that with the flight structures are just super impressed.
How well he's doing.
And so that ultimately leads us to
the night of September twenty third,
twenty nineteen. So by now, he's was about three months shy in the eighteen birthday.
Again, you know, it's all about the hour, so he had a mom of one of his best
friends reach out to him here in Kenny and say, hey, listen. Are you willing to take her to
Arkansas today because she was a attending University Arkansas, but
here in For of all things a funeral that weekend.
And she said, you know, can you take her out there so she can miss a lot less class
of course, he's all gone.
Juliet Hahn 01:15:48
Clint Hatton 01:15:49
It was it was gonna include night flying on the way back, which is, you know,
some what he was needing to train.
In and so that was very normal for a pilot.
So he did. He took her and
you know, figuring this they arrive safely.
And he dropped her off, said goodbye to a few other friends that were going to school there.
And then you jump back in the plane head at home,
He had just started brand new job the day before with a friend
and that friend's dad, he was loving it, you know, just
start he had just started taking some classes to you because he graduated
Juliet Hahn 01:16:23
Clint Hatton 01:16:21
year early. You know? Just... I mean, life was just everything was right there, Juliet. I mean, it's just
you live in the dream literally. And on the way back,
he got about twenty minutes
from Say Bill where took off and ran into the
The Nt is one who does the investigations on all
plane crashes, it would take us two painful years to get the report.
But what ended up happening was he encountered an unexpected weather system going through a mountain
this range there.
And he ended up losing his horizons. He suffered from what they call
Juliet Hahn 01:16:52
Clint Hatton 01:16:55
Your listeners are familiar with that, even if they don't know the term.
Kobe Bryant Shrek
Juliet Hahn 01:17:00
Clint Hatton 01:17:00
globally famous. Right?
Exactly what happened to his pilot who had
Juliet Hahn 01:17:05
Clint Hatton 01:17:06
you know, decade of experience and a multi multimillion dollar aircraft
it can happen any anybody any time in it did.
Juliet Hahn 01:17:13
Clint Hatton 01:17:12
Any he any he crafts lost his life chasing his dream.
Juliet Hahn 01:17:17
Now... Yeah. I mean,
You know, I have a seventeen year old. So I just
you know, again, all the life excuse me getting emotional, but all the life that you
had lived, you know, with almost losing the baby
and then, you know, almost living yourself, your mother, you know, like, so many different things.
And then now seeing this kid that is, you know, again,
we all make mistakes, but, like, living the dream and
I mean, being at the top of his his life, the top of his world,
and then his life being taken from him.
I can't even imagine, and I hope I never have to know... You know, I
I I hope I never have to. But when did you guys find out?
Was he's supposed to be home at a certain time and, you know, he didn't
he didn't call in, and then you... You you kinda think well, what's going on? How did that
Clint Hatton 01:18:05
Juliet Hahn 01:18:05
Clint Hatton 01:18:07
Yeah Well, so what happened? And you know, Kevin is his mentor
tracks any of of any of the pilots because there's some other kid we're flying at that time as well.
So he tracks him on an ipad device.
So what happened was I'd actually went out to run some errands
don't even know what they were came back the house about eight o'clock.
In the evening of the twenty third and saw my wife on the phone and, you know,
there's something in innate in all this. Right?
When you just see your spouse or a relative or a friend or or whatever. And
you can just tell by the tone of their voice and their they're facial expression that... Oh my gosh. What
what's going on? You know?
So I I see this look our face and
you know, whispering. What
Juliet Hahn 01:18:48
Clint Hatton 01:18:50
and she ended up kind mouth. It's Kevin.
And so, you know,
who my my heart just trying stop because that was not normal.
Juliet Hahn 01:19:01
Clint Hatton 01:19:01
That was not
standard operating procedure.
Juliet Hahn 01:19:05
Clint Hatton 01:19:05
Half listening to, you know, her side of the call and
recommended at something Obviously, it happens when she hangs up
and he he went off the radar.
Could not track him. He was not answering his cell phone.
Now we would later find out
shortly after that he where he did crash within a very warm area that had
virtually no cell coverage. So
then a, you know, thirty minutes an hour, that wasn't necessarily
Juliet Hahn 01:19:35
Clint Hatton 01:19:33
the worst news. Like that did mean that he was not okay. You know?
Knew You went down somewhere and nobody knew where he was.
Juliet Hahn 01:19:39
because, you know, you hear people that have lost a loved one or something had happened.
That they have sometimes this
this this feeling
like, okay. No. This is a bad feeling and and or you know, something in
and did you guys have that feeling?
Clint Hatton 01:19:57
Not early. And
you know, because you asked the question what you did, I'm gonna back up and give you a little bit of back
ground from that morning because it's it's something joy honestly, I still can't
totally wrapped my mind around of what it meant.
Juliet Hahn 01:20:07
Clint Hatton 01:20:11
But what happened the morning of this is long before he ever
you know, took off. I I used to walk a lot nowadays.
Before I started getting into, you know, back into weight lifting in here, so I'd walk like,
ten Was walking all time.
Well for a walk that morning. And as I was walking along, you know, we've all extreme
you can describe a different wage. You call it, you know, really
of a daydream dream or you can call a vision, whatever you wanna call it.
I was walking past a golf course, and all of a sudden, like,
you know, all my surroundings just disappeared
and I was just
in my imagination, if we could just say it that way,
Juliet Hahn 01:20:44
Clint Hatton 01:20:45
and team was playing through like it would injuring, but I'm walking.
And in this
state whatever it was.
I I'm running around my house. I'm back in my house. I'm running around the house.
Clearly in a panic
of some kind
I I round the front door and I go to get. We have a three close neighborhood
where we have very close relationships with our neighbors.
And I was running across the street to go find two of the ladies
that we live across street from
so that I could have them take Joel and Liam.
Because I had terrible news to give
and about Gabriel.
Juliet Hahn 01:21:22
Clint Hatton 01:21:23
Now in this, I didn't see anything about what's that
Oh, it's fast the came Next and.
Aware my surroundings again, and I'm walking by the you
the golf course still I'm thinking well, that was really weird, You know?
And, you know, when something like that happens is Julia, I don't think
Juliet Hahn 01:21:46
Clint Hatton 01:21:46
too many parents are unique. We all have fearful thoughts. We all have crazy
dream or just randomly think about
so in a moment, I just saw it, Oh, no. No. Fear. You know,
Juliet Hahn 01:21:54
Clint Hatton 01:21:57
Am not going to give it
and I idea, I said I had a simple prayer. I remember doing that.
Of just protection over him and our family and, you know,
Juliet Hahn 01:22:07
And did you know he was flying that day anyways? Like, so
could it have been, you know, sometimes if we know, you know,
and I and I do this and I hate, sometimes that they do this, but, like, if my husband or my kids are going somewhere,
I like, you know, we'll be like, oh okay. What if this happens? You know? And I and and then I have to push it away.
Clint Hatton 01:22:24
Juliet Hahn 01:22:24
Because I know that they're going on this journey. So you knew that he was going on this journey. Did you not?
Clint Hatton 01:22:29
Well, he was flying almost every day.
So I don't remember if in that moment, I I remember... I wasn't thinking about
was gonna be in a plane crash. That was for sure. You know, I just
Juliet Hahn 01:22:36
Clint Hatton 01:22:39
Again, It didn't show me anything. But only reason I'm sharing that is because
Juliet Hahn 01:22:43
Clint Hatton 01:22:45
And so fast forward so now, you know, we're
we're into the evening, we're about in maybe an hour into knowing that you went
and a series now again, Julia there's a very layered
story that went on for several hours, so I'm just gonna give you highlights or low lines.
But, ultimately, I I am in a
making a phone call to the sheriff department that was in charge of the search rescue because I wanna make a
personal contact with him.
So I did and they're telling me
there's no cell coverage. We cannot confirm anything
even though there was a news network for
fayetteville because we were tracking that on our on our phones.
I think it was a or Nbc local that had reported at least a craft
like, well, how they know about the crash. You know?
Juliet Hahn 01:23:30
Clint Hatton 01:23:31
They're like, we can't tell anything. Okay.
an hour or two goes by.
And, you know, we're doing everything that we know
to do at that point. So to answer your question, you know, we we were still holding out All hope.
That we just couldn't reach him.
Juliet Hahn 01:23:46
Clint Hatton 01:23:47
And then Uv be became case somehow. So we we prayed. We declared
scriptures. We turned on worship music. I mean, we did
all this stuff that, you know, if you call yourself a
person to say it that you feel like this is what I need to do. You know, we did all that stuff.
And really felt like
somehow some way,
Juliet Hahn 01:24:12
Clint Hatton 01:24:09
there's no freaking way our story can end with this or or have the
in it, you know, even though we've been through ourselves like, this can't happen.
Juliet Hahn 01:24:18
Clint Hatton 01:24:19
So we say, you know,
confident that that was not gonna be what happened. So
Juliet Hahn 01:24:24
And how old and the boys
Clint Hatton 01:24:29
Yeah. So now there Liam is nine Joel is fourteen.
So he now freshman in high school, and they asleep.
In their bedrooms and have no idea what's going on.
Juliet Hahn 01:24:36
And and as
as brothers, are they, like, super super connected close or they, you know, just
normal and what was there? If you can just give us a little
Clint Hatton 01:24:46
Juliet Hahn 01:24:49
inside a narrow relationship.
Clint Hatton 01:24:50
Yeah. Absolutely. So, you know, Gabriel And Joel are the
close they're only three years apart.
And they were
sibling mortal enemies
Juliet Hahn 01:25:05
Clint Hatton 01:25:03
until about six months before this night.
You know, they... I mean, they were just constantly fighting and gabriel of bull
them and, you know, all that stuff. But then, you know, about six months before you ever take
they actually took a trip. They would take an annual trip for spring break with
the grandparents the same ones that we live with for a little while.
Juliet Hahn 01:25:19
Clint Hatton 01:25:22
And they took this one trip where they went up into the mountains, they they own a cabin and
They could drive at that time so they're driving achieve, and they became buddies.
Juliet Hahn 01:25:29
Clint Hatton 01:25:32
It's just... Their their relationship and
how that... The way they treat each other,
just dramatically exchange, like, over a weekend.
Juliet Hahn 01:25:40
That's the amazing.
Clint Hatton 01:25:40
So by the time this night happened, you know, they they were buddies.
They were bodies.
Juliet Hahn 01:25:45
Clint Hatton 01:25:47
Now, Liam, of course, you know, you would think you're younger than Gabriel, so they definitely had
a good relationship, but there was, you know, a a very different relationship
Juliet Hahn 01:25:52
Very different. Yeah.
Clint Hatton 01:25:56
very different and Gabriel by that time and, you know, as I've already described he's going to school. He's
Juliet Hahn 01:26:03
Clint Hatton 01:26:01
at the year airport of times that you in and out a lot Lean doesn't see him all the time.
That was a little bit different.
Juliet Hahn 01:26:07
Right. Oh so right so they're sleeping, they have no idea.
And then when did you get the confirmation that, you know, he had passed?
Clint Hatton 01:26:14
it went on throughout the night and there was even nuances to that.
You know, because I I began seeing reports from the news that would
have just a little bit more information
I call the Washington state. County sheriff
back, and they would still say the same thing. We don't know how they're eating information. There's no cell coverage
of blah then about one
one thirty in the morning, Actually, not one am.
How we just... Again, looking at my phone, and I saw that the local
And again, I forgive me it was abc who are
Juliet Hahn 01:26:48
Clint Hatton 01:26:49
not just the crash.
But a single person's fatality
Juliet Hahn 01:26:52
So that's how you found out.
Clint Hatton 01:26:57
not not yet exactly.
Pausing because in this part he gets me.
Juliet Hahn 01:27:03
Clint Hatton 01:27:04
In my heart.
Like you can
only imagine unless you've been through it.
And I'm sitting right next to Am on the couch we were on the couch at that time.
And it was in that moment. The reason my applause for a moment is in that moment that I remember this crazy thing.
Earlier in the morning.
Juliet Hahn 01:27:19
Clint Hatton 01:27:21
Well, I remember thinking Julia thank you?
Juliet Hahn 01:27:26
You think have... You can curse.
Clint Hatton 01:27:25
It's hard for me not to wanna cut right now.
Are you are you starting hitting me? You know?
Is that what that was all about?
That I'm you know, talking to God. That point like,
are you preparing me to have that conversation?
You know, and all these crazy thoughts you're just going through my head, but I'm looking at this screen
says my son bed.
I just... I was devastated
I sat there for what seemed like forever it was probably really only a moment or two.
I just never returned terms him.
They needed make it.
Juliet Hahn 01:28:03
Clint Hatton 01:28:07
we went through hell.
as you can imagine, we solved
and not come out of our nose and
you know, as much as we could to try and keep it down so
boys would hear in their rooms and
you know, it was
It was incredibly painful. And
So when I... Before I before I told her and I saw it, I did
immediately text my mother in law her mom in my father law who
same grandparents I've been talking about that live about forty five minutes from us.
They've been up doing the same thing, you know, tracking.
Take a track and I told them you need to get your now.
Juliet Hahn 01:28:45
Clint Hatton 01:28:46
So they on their way.
Well, about one thirty, now, this is about half an hour after this is taken
play and we're just, you know,
trying or right out because we think it's over
I to get him, not on the door.
I go to the door and it's too fully uniform.
City, police officers.
And, of course, you know, we've all seen if we've never experienced also the movies
happens right. So I'm thinking, oh my god. This is it. They're coming to give me
the official news. I step out
and the night just became confusing again.
Quite literally what happened when and he pulled me out and
they start asking me for my contact information because they wanna be able to give it to the
County sheriff who Had already spoken to three times
at this point in every single time before I end the call I'd made sure
Again, this is Manhattan here's my phone number. Blah blah blah. It turns out they didn't know anything.
Other than there was a crash
and they were only at my doorstep at one thirty Am m to get my contact info. So I was pissed
you know, I was pissed. I was confused I'm, like, what the heck is going on.
Why that the news reporting this and you guys have wanna act like, you don't even know what's happened.
Juliet Hahn 01:29:57
Clint Hatton 01:29:56
So I'm even have a call, and and you're still telling me
we don't know where the news is getting their information. We
can either confirm nor deny anything other than
we do have people on site.
So at that point, you know, Juliet, we felt like, okay.
Maybe it's not over
maybe there's still a chance maybe they're wrong.
You know? So we went kinda back into that. We just started praying again and
you know, I mean, that's what, you're you're willing to pray anything you can think of. So we're even praying insurrection
you know I mean if if he's
bringing back. I mean, we're were just... You're you're in that place in a parent at this point
you're just praying the most extreme things you you can think of because you don't wanna
go through this. You know?
Juliet Hahn 01:30:40
I mean, that that had to been... I mean, just
Right? And, again, we... You know, we hear things of the news does this, the news of that
And I mean, the anger because now you're
the emotions that you must have been having must have been insane. I mean, I can't even imagine
but also as you know, the husband, man, all those generation relations of
you know, trying to make sure that everything is okay.
You know, your wife's okay, but you're trying to struggle with with this. I just
I I can't even
comprehend. I mean, it must have been such an outer body experience.
Clint Hatton 01:31:12
Juliet Hahn 01:31:15
And, again, I wanna bring it back to your
to your what you went through in life.
And as you said, right, Like, this can't be the way
is the way my stories and his story is ending. How is is the way lending
But the one thing I do wanna bring up, and I know I've just had a lot of stuff
The one thing I do wanna say is that you said that he lived
such an adventurous full life.
And that he resistance this kid that knew what he wanted and
and it just brings me back to, you know, kind picturing him.
And then seeing you guys there, and I just
I I can't even. I can't even, again, comprehend it. So
did you start yelling at the police officers?
Clint Hatton 01:31:54
Yeah. No. I mean, that's that's a fair question for sure. You know, I'm
I just. First of all, I've always had a very
strong sensitivity to what our police officers and first bloggers go to. So
for me, paying the respect is just a normal part of my life. You know, I knew they... It wasn't in their fall.
You know. But... But I was pretty pissed and when I called the sure
farm that was
charge the investigation. You know? I I didn't yell, but I was
very angry, and I was starting. I'm like, I understand why why is your
so much communication
confusion on this. And, you know, of course, the personality was speaking to, that was actually at the
the office didn't
well either didn't know anything or or just wasn't willing to say, which
ultimately is where we're gonna go Juliet. So
This is one thirty. We're back to thinking, maybe there's a chance
And then at three thirty Am, I received my first call
the sheriff's of department.
And it was to confirm that they had a corner on site
confirmed is dead.
Juliet Hahn 01:33:02
And how many hours was that after?
Clint Hatton 01:33:04
So that would have been
About seven hours.
Juliet Hahn 01:33:13
Oh, my gosh.
Clint Hatton 01:33:13
So it was, you know,
And and, of course, my end laws were here.
Juliet Hahn 01:33:23
Clint Hatton 01:33:20
So it was kinda round to, you know, round two of
Juliet Hahn 01:33:25
Well, I was gonna say, I mean, I guess right, if you think about
from their side. They don't wanna say something because it wasn't him.
Could you imagine, like, you know, so they have to be very careful
and what they... What what they're doing. But as the people on the other side,
you just want answers now you wanna know
which is... Which is devastating.
Clint Hatton 01:33:43
Yeah. As it turned out, it was actually just a policy
you know, that they would not notify any extra can in
the corners but their stamp of approval on it. And so
everybody that was on site
knew. He was
dead, you know, from the... Just this sheer.
Of of the crash itself.
But they just weren't gonna to tell me until the corners said,
yes. It's official. So that's why a lot of time. You know, we tell this story by now, we're in the
choosing the twenty fourth, but he he officially died on the evening of the twenty third
Juliet Hahn 01:34:18
I mean, so, I mean, and the boys are still sleeping,
Clint Hatton 01:34:22
Juliet Hahn 01:34:25
at this point, and I can't imagine when they wake up,
how how that conversation went.
Clint Hatton 01:34:33
You know, I had some time, which in retrospect,
you know, I'm certainly thankful that they didn't wake up on their own and come out.
Because that ultimately, I didn't wake them up until seven thirties that gave me about
For us to just try and, you know, process
and and try to wrap our minds around what it happened in which
you know, we didn't do in that moment you can't
But at least, you have a little bit of time to think and
So what I have happened was when when I brought them out,
and set them down a course it's already
you know, the atmosphere is charged. I'm sure we look like crap.
You know, I could only imagine how puffy our eyes were and they were blood red and everything else. And
you know, my in laws being in the living room was not
Juliet Hahn 01:35:18
Clint Hatton 01:35:17
normal for a Tuesday morning, especially with him b. Yeah. So they walk out and they know
Juliet Hahn 01:35:23
Clint Hatton 01:35:22
what the heck, you know what's going on?
Juliet Hahn 01:35:24
They can feel in energy.
Clint Hatton 01:35:24
I can feel the energy. And so we sat down. It was
it was just prior to that that I really felt like Juliet
and and I can't
I can't say this with certainty. So I'm asking your listeners. Just
to kinda of bear with me on this, but
shall, like, okay. Is is that what that morning walk was all about?
And you've prepared me
god to have this conversation, but I don't know what to say.
Juliet Hahn 01:35:50
Clint Hatton 01:35:51
and I felt like
I got the words.
And so I just shut them down, and I looked at them.
And and actually, before I... Before I say that, you've done such a beautiful
job of helping me tell my story. And so, you know, obviously,
there were a lot of things that led up to this in terms of us being through tough times. And
and and this point me being a pastor for over fifteen years when this had happened,
I've helped many people I've been in hospital rooms watching
loved ones die in front of their family and, you know, trying to help
them afterwards and all those types of things.
So I was also... If there was an advantage,
I didn't have an advantage with the pain.
Nothing will prepare you for that.
Juliet Hahn 01:36:32
Clint Hatton 01:36:33
But I did have an advantage of having some understanding
of what turn our lives could take.
Juliet Hahn 01:36:40
Clint Hatton 01:36:40
If we go about this,
Juliet Hahn 01:36:43
Right. Well, I mean, also from you, just
Clint Hatton 01:36:46
Juliet Hahn 01:36:48
being twelve and starting the story. So anyone that
just dumping and now if you go back to the story,
that your parents should
reconcile years later, but the damage was already done. So you had that in the back of your mind, whether you were
it or not. But as you said, you were with all the experience that you have
Now you have to think about how am I gonna protect these two boys who are here in earth or, you know,
you know, even though you're
in this immense
again, probably out a body experience, this pain that you're going through. How do I
Clint Hatton 01:37:19
Yeah. No. That's exactly right. And
you know, to that point before I launch out,
you know, that is certainly something that for those of us who have lost
a child when you have more than one,
Juliet Hahn 01:37:31
Clint Hatton 01:37:31
you know, you we know your incredible pain.
It it's it's challenging or difficult to not
immediately think exactly what you just said that I've got I've gotta fear something out.
how I frame this and and how
I help my kids is gonna take dictate
possibly the rest of their lives. You know? And so I was aware of that?
So I just... I just turned him, and I said,
Here's what we're gonna do.
We have two choices.
Of how we're going to
live this out of the family.
And I've seen both.
The first one is we can choose to focus on
The pain of our tragedy
the fact that he died in a plane crash,
you know, all of the other obvious things who the miles
owns the birthdays, the Christmas, you know, all those things.
And not that we weren't gonna feel those things.
But if if we focus on how he died,
then we are going to be shadows of who each of us were created to be
And the pain that we're feeling now is gonna keep us trapped.
And and we're not going to live our lives out.
The way we could have
but there's a second choice in our second choice, and this is what we're gonna do is
we can choose life. And what that meant for me, Juliet was, I said, listen, Gabriel.
You know, I need to, you know, repeat to your listeners everything. But
you, I just told the boys, you know, he attacked Eve. He did all these things. He was always like, what's next
what affects you was adventurous. And despite the fact that we
obviously never wanted to lose him ever.
He was in fact
living his dream even in the moment that he passed.
And so I told them so that's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna choose
to remember the way he lived.
And we're gonna honor his life.
And the way he lived by doing the same in ours,
Juliet Hahn 01:39:31
Clint Hatton 01:39:35
we just made that packed, and then part two
which was just as critical was the grieving side. You know? And I said, So here's the thing.
We don't know how it's gonna hit us.
You know, I don't know how it's gonna hit me mom, you guys
we don't know from one day the next
and for a while, probably even hour to hour,
we're gonna feel are gonna be sad. Are we're gonna be angry we gonna be feel like we're
maybe going into severe depression. You know, all all the different things that you're going
half to process going through the grieving process. I said, so here's what we're gonna do as well.
We are going to do this as a family.
And what that looks like is
we cannot allow ourselves to isolate. Now, keep in mind, they're only nine fourteen
Juliet Hahn 01:40:13
Clint Hatton 01:40:16
But I even in that moment felt like,
I couldn't just tell them what we were gonna do. I needed to invite them into
what we were going to do
Juliet Hahn 01:40:26
Well, and you know what? And I think it's so important for
you know, everyone to think about this. So I you know, I make the mistakes too
kids are so much more
resilient, but also so much more aware.
They're so much more aware than we give them credit for. So much smarter.
They are so much
bigger. Yes. They have immature brains, but when I really do feel when
things that happen big, sometimes they have more insight
because they can muscle through and not muscle through. That's not the word. They can model through
Clint Hatton 01:40:56
Juliet Hahn 01:40:58
and and be a little bit more
So not telling them. Right?
Like, oh, this is like, sugar coating it.
Could have pissed them off because they're were like,
What what are you talking about? Like, this is devastated
This is debt. Like, what are you talking about if you're like, okay. We're, you know? So
I think doing that is
is really an important thing. Any kind of tragedy that you talk to children about
I think sugar coding it are making it a little less than. They're gonna know.
Clint Hatton 01:41:24
Yeah. I agree.
No. I think, you know, that was what I was sending. So I just said listen. So
you know, this is not going to be a two waste. I mean, a one way.
Where if you're feeling sad or you need to cry or you need to be angry, you need to
us, you know, because nothing was awful limits. There was no emotion that was was
Juliet Hahn 01:41:43
Clint Hatton 01:41:43
inappropriate. You're allowed to feel them all. We're not gonna stop you.
And if I'm crying,
mom's not gonna to stop me. She's not gonna come over and she's not gonna hug me and tell me old, stop subs Scott. Don't
I don't cry. It's gonna be okay. We're not gonna do that.
We're going to support each other, and we're gonna allow each other
to feel whatever every emotions we're feeling to be able to express whatever those emotions are.
And it's gonna be a two way straight. There's gonna be times and this happen over the course of the last
three and a and a half years or so. Where I'm the one who's feeling emotional and crime because there's a
trigger of some time, and and I'll let them know how I'm feeling and why I'm feeling it.
And so we we set out, you know, that morning with those two things this life perspective,
of honoring him, by the way we live and then
Yes. We are going
to have a pain.
And, Juliet, well, I think we may have talked about this in our brief call.
The pain is always going to be there. Our goal has never been to get rid of the pain.
Juliet Hahn 01:42:41
Clint Hatton 01:42:40
To me, the pain represents the of we shared with our son.
To without about.
I feel pain.
But the differences is we had to tell our pain how to behave.
We had to tell our pain where to cup.
Otherwise, it was just gonna keep us trial. And we have not done this
perfectly. We're not perfect human beings. You know, we've had a we
days, whatever where we know we didn't execute on this.
This pack we made perfectly, but it gave us something
to constantly recalibrate to
so that we could stay focus to continue to live according to those values.
Juliet Hahn 01:43:14
Right. And and so I do have to ask you question because I do. I know
I told you the gonna be an hour show. It was good
clearly not. So I hope that this is not. I I know you're plugging phones in
I had dogs barking. I was like, okay. I know this is went
but there's no
Close... I... There was no part of this your story that I wanted to not know a little bit more.
And so I do apologize that it is going long for the listeners. I know they're like, wow this
since your longest show ever, but this story deserves that. The story just
does deserve this time. And I do have to ask a question. There's not
a question that I haven't asked, even though I know it could take us down a different path.
But I do feel
that your story is something
And you are gonna be able to help so many different people
and what you're doing now because of your story,
is just again, gonna be
the stories connect us. This this is your story. Oh, you know, anyone that's a parent
can feel the pain can feel it. So I do wanna ask you
I know when you said we you're talking to the boys, and it was like, okay, This is how we're gonna show up.
Do you think that was
the twelve year old self talking
for when your parents, you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen, when your parents went through that
or do you feel that it was something that you learned in the faith journey or drug turn?
Clint Hatton 01:44:38
Juliet Hahn 01:44:40
Or do you think it was a combination?
Clint Hatton 01:44:41
Right. Yeah That's an question. No when no one has asked me. That's what I can remember.
My gut reaction is both.
Juliet Hahn 01:44:49
Clint Hatton 01:44:48
You know, I think there's always been something inside of me.
That had a prevalence towards resiliency. You know?
So so I think there's that part
that wasn't me, I think the key difference in why the combination is so critical it is
Juliet Hahn 01:45:07
Clint Hatton 01:45:06
having the wisdom to know what that needs to look like.
You know, certainly didn't come that twelve year old. I think both
Juliet Hahn 01:45:13
Well, but also, you see. And and and again, I could be putting words in your mouth, but
your tragedy as you as a as can is different than the charges that
your tons are going through. And you can't, again, as we talked about, you can't say,
Clint Hatton 01:45:26
Juliet Hahn 01:45:27
that one's bigger than another. Because it happened to each
person so you don't know how they are handle it. But
again, something doesn't in need. I'm sure
even if his background and back your mind, not in the back of your mind,
protecting that twelve year old boy of you
Maybe you wish that your parent handled it a little different, and you wouldn't have gone down that path now that
path you were meant to do.
Right? That path you were meant to do. So it's not gonna change it.
To who you are, how you're handling. This is how you're gonna help so many masses of people
Clint Hatton 01:46:03
Juliet Hahn 01:46:00
with your story with your book with your coaching business.
But I wonder how much of that little, you know, twelve year old boy
I got... I gotta... I gotta be better.
Clint Hatton 01:46:09
Juliet Hahn 01:46:11
I want these two, not to have to, you know, you know, god again, has does their
so you don't you you can't change their story because of something you're gonna say, but you can help shape it.
Clint Hatton 01:46:19
Yeah. You know, I think I'm still probably answering that question.
Juliet Hahn 01:46:23
Clint Hatton 01:46:24
And, you know, for myself to be totally candid with you.
I think even personal development and space, I'm
and having helped coach mentor people for so many years.
I think that's true about all of us.
Know I think there are things that that whether it's a trauma of whether it's
just the way our lives were set up, but there's things that we do
carry forward from our childhood.
Even if it's on a subconscious level that
Juliet Hahn 01:46:51
Clint Hatton 01:46:51
end up causing some automated responses to things, and then
you know when you
hopefully when you've grown and you become more mature,
and you've learned healthier coping mechanisms and you're full of more wisdom.
That you can marry those two in a sense.
And you know, be
be more productive for your own life and and be better positioned to help other people.
Juliet Hahn 01:47:16
Yeah. No. One hundred percent. So
I do wanna... Because I been said, I didn't know.
We're gonna have you back on. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind. And and if your wife, if you're my foot
what is what
Clint Hatton 01:47:25
I apologize. I'm getting by someone who's got an appointment two a
Juliet Hahn 01:47:31
Oh my gosh. I'm so sorry. Oh my gosh. Oh, my god.
Clint Hatton 01:47:32
that's okay. I I didn't even live we talk that long. It's been amazing.
Juliet Hahn 01:47:35
I... Well, I my eyes are not good, and
Clint Hatton 01:47:42
Juliet Hahn 01:47:40
I knew that we had technical difficulties in the beginning, and so
I was, like, calculating, and I'm like,
Oh my gosh. But again, there was no
time for me to stop you because there... We needed this whole
Clint Hatton 01:47:51
Juliet Hahn 01:47:53
I truly believe this whole part needs to be
you know, explored. And so take into the book though when you decided to do the book
in the coaching business, and then you can tell you're client. I'm so sorry.
Clint Hatton 01:48:03
Yeah. So the
ultimately, you know, three months after Gabriel pass Covid.
Juliet Hahn 01:48:13
Clint Hatton 01:48:11
So the whole world got turned on its head with you my Ten it. So
obviously, during that time, the hardest for us to process through
Gabriel, but it wasn't the only thing. And I think for me,
you know, I knew I was gonna write a book someday day, Juliet, but I didn't plan on being within only a
couple years. I had no time to it wasn't, like a goal or anything, You know, to just
get out of book as fast as I could. You know?
And so it took a couple of years
And then I just saw so much fear
Juliet Hahn 01:48:42
Clint Hatton 01:48:42
unleashed on this planet. And there's not a political statement it's just a fact.
You know, there so much fear
so only people feeling hopeless, like there's
maybe nothing to look forward to or work towards and
know, I just realized that
and analog loss in different forms. I just realized rely that, you know,
my story, and this book you know, does include
the story of Game has got a lot of other stories, including other individuals
story it'll will blow your mind. Really inspire you. I just realized the world needs something.
You know. And so that's why I decide to go ahead and write the book.
When I did, which is just about a year ago now or begin writing it about a year ago.
It was just with the ideas that I I just wanted to
help people see that
life is gonna punch us all the gut. We're all gonna go through ups and downs we're all
hey, We're all eventually gonna die. Right? I mean, we all know that.
Juliet Hahn 01:49:32
Clint Hatton 01:49:34
We're gonna suffer seeing loved ones die at some point, but
there's so much more to the world, and we're gonna we're gonna miss out on opportunities if we allow
fear to cripple us and if we're not willing to take risks. And for me, one of those things and
how I was inspired by Gabriel. What I
thought about launching a coaching business on the side for years.
I thought about writing a book for years to for that that matter.
But I'd always let excuses fear doubt,
all those things keep me from doing it.
So I decided that I need to write the book
and I wrote it intentionally to help one person
our hard and gentleman who's on my forward.
He's former president of Starbucks International and so what Howard told me before I started writing the book.
Should write it for one
Juliet Hahn 01:50:15
Clint Hatton 01:50:17
I'm like okay. I can do that. So I wrote it for one person, but I also wrote it for me.
At the same time. You know.
Juliet Hahn 01:50:24
Clint Hatton 01:50:24
So ultimately, that's, you know, where that went with a book. And now it's
the official launch state was yesterday's that's available, you, everywhere books are sold and
people can go to my web.
Tied big bull on us to check out everything else about me too, but
I've just made it my mission in life
to help as many people along the way as I can. You know? Yes.
Learn how to push through pain and
you know, keep your family healthier or marriage healthy, all those things. But
but also to live your dream and don't allow
circumstances of life.
To dictate to you how you're gonna live a mediocre life
because the fact is the data shows
most people on the planet
hate what they're doing.
Juliet Hahn 01:51:06
Clint Hatton 01:51:08
And they're not courageous enough.
To do something about it. And only you can do that. Nobody's ever gonna do it for you.
So that's that's just part of why wrote the book and and what I'm hoping people
will be inspired to do. My Tagline courageous human in the inspiring lives.
My whole life now is dedicated
to finding courageous people, which courage in every single one of us
and doing my part
whatever little part that may be
to help inspire them to be inspiring.
I I don't wanna go and talk in throw out of hundreds of thousands of people and the all walk going wow.
He's really inspiring and not walk out going. What am I gonna do be inspiring? That's what matters.
Juliet Hahn 01:51:49
Yeah. No. And I love that. And I think it's a an a brilliant message and
Gabriel is definitely there, surrounding himself around you being like,
I know you can do it. Then
Clint Hatton 01:51:58
Juliet Hahn 01:52:00
but you also took other positions. Right? You've we talked about this throughout this episode.
Clint Hatton 01:52:10
Juliet Hahn 01:52:07
You took positions with blind faith. I'm jumping into here. I'm jumping into here. So the fact
that you didn't jump into the book.
the coaching business
We're gonna talk about that at a different time. Because other questions that, but I'm not going dump
jump into it. But
it fas to me when people are so big and brave in one moment,
Clint Hatton 01:52:28
Juliet Hahn 01:52:30
And then there's something that holds them back, and I do think it's a timing thing.
I think it's a timing thing, but then I also am always like,
very curious of, like, why? And we you know what what
let leave that. But I I think timing is one of the things, and I think
experience is another thing. It's just not the time that it's supposed to happen.
But I just have to say thank you so much for, you know, joining your next
stop live. As I said, we're gonna have you on again because I definitely wanna talk more
we're gonna follow everyone, you know, please go to big
bold brave dot us.
Us or us. Right? I wanna make sure I'm saying this. Right.
Clint Hatton 01:53:06
Juliet Hahn 01:53:11
and I actually, that's so true. I love... I love that with us because it is
what you're doing. You're helping others. You're inspiring others
from so many different tragedies that you had in your life.
To so many also of the big wins that you've had in life. You have so much
to teach and so much to share, and people need to hear it.
Especially, as you said now with that, you know, every with all the fear, it's
it it's it's your time.
Clint Hatton 01:53:38
Juliet Hahn 01:53:39
It is your time, and I want everyone to write down Clint Manhattan name.
and his website, big bold brave dot
Us or dot us because
you're gonna be hearing a lot more from clint.
Clint Hatton 01:53:52
Thank you, Julius.
Juliet Hahn 01:53:52
Thank you so much.
And again, I'm so sorry that we went so long. I haven't even calculated in my mind.
Clint Hatton 01:53:59
Yeah amazing. Yeah. It's alright.
Juliet Hahn 01:54:03
No it your story
there's no way
as as we were having the conversation, There is ways that you can
as a storytellers,
concise things that, you know, but there is
this would need it to be
laid out the way it was.
Clint Hatton 01:54:18
Juliet Hahn 01:54:20
Really, really do. And I I wish you all the luck. And I know we're gonna be
did. And thank you guys everyone for joining your next
stop live here on Fireside. Please go follow Clint
And thank you again for wherever you're listening. If you're here on
Linkedin, if you're Fireside, Youtube, but Clint, thank you so much.
Clint Hatton 01:54:37
Thank you, You had ronald.
Juliet Hahn 01:54:39
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