YNS Live with NFL Thread PIVOT Debut

Apr 28, 2022

“There is no right or wrong way to go through transition. Failing is also thriving because ultimately you’re going to get to the other side. You’re going to land.” ~ Cynthia Zordich


“When we create a space to share these stories of transition - we unveil the impact of change and the turmoil change can create. What we learn from these stories is that it’s normal to get off-center in its wake.” ~ Juliet Hahn

Introducing PIVOT, a new show brought to you by YNS Live with NFL Thread recorded live on Fireside with hosts Juliet Hahn and Cynthia Zordich.


Football is more than just a sport; it is a way of life. From the grittiness of practice and strategy sessions to the thrill of game days and the power of cheering crowds, football is the glue that holds a professional player's life together. But what happens when you have to face life after football? What happens when the clock runs out?


The adjustment to life without football can be traumatic. Some players are prepared and make a seamless transition. Others struggle to make sense of a life that no longer seems to have meaning. Some of them think themselves forever young, forever able to tackle and block and run, not only indestructible but immortal.


What they all have in common is that one day they will be separated from the game, and when that happens - they may or may not be ready for it. Likely, the latter.


When The Clock Runs Out, a compilation of 20 NFL greats who share their stories of adversity and triumph after the NFL, is intended to serve as a precautionary tale for those still to come, from those who have already made the trip.


What follows are visits with those who have let go and who have lived to tell about it. They spin war stories. They speak, with candor, about what they went through when they retired from the game. Their wives do the same.


What When The Clock Runs Out really is, at heart, is a love story. Because whatever may have befallen them, good or bad, they cannot, any of them, imagine their lives without the game.


We are please pleased to announce the launch of PIVOT by YNS Live with NFL Thread. PIVOT - with hosts Juliet Hahn (Your Next Stop) and Cynthia Zordich (Creator of When The Clock Runs Out, Founder of NFL Thread) will revisit the original Clock chapters (written by legendary sportswriter Bill Lyons) as well as dive into new chapters, inviting NFL players and spouses to join them on Fireside to share their story of transition.





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Episode Transcript

00:02:09 - 00:03:23 

Juliet Hahn: Hi, everyone. How are you? We'll be starting in two minutes. Gonna give a couple minutes for everyone to join. Hello, everyone. How are you? Welcome to YNS Live with NFL thread, our new series called pivot with myself Juliet Hahn, and Cynthia Zordich, how are you?


00:03:23 - 00:03:24

Cynthia Zordich: Oh good to see you. I'm good.


00:03:24 - 00:04:12

Juliet Hahn: Yes. Guys, we are so excited about this, and I have to tell you that there's been many - before we we kinda came to this pivot series, and we've been talking about doing different shows as you guys, if you've been, you know, on Fireside, if you've been with me before with YNS Live, where I dive into people's stories about how they follow the passion. If you followed, you know, Cynthia and I’s story, Cynthia was a guest on Your Next Stop, which is my podcast. And when - after Cynthia I did our interview, we started talking about how it would be really amazing to give a platform for NFL spouses to be able to share their story. So Cynthia, why don't you give a little background about you, and then we can kinda go into how we met and then how Pivot came about?


00:04:12 - 00:04:15

Cynthia Zordich: Oh, um if we start with how we met, that’s wonderful. 


00:04:15 - 00:04:17




Cynthia Zordich: But um Juliet was in Philadelphia, actually more New Jersey when I was in Philadelphia, when my husband was with the Eagles playing. And Juliet’s mother was our - all of my kids’ kindergarten teacher, Mrs. Williams, who was just like a rockstar kindergarten teacher. And so it's just like a family situation because, you know, Juliet babysat my kids, and she was really a part of, you know how that is when you have a babysitter, anybody that has children knows, they become a part of your family - 



Juliet Hahn: Yeah.



Cynthia Zordich: - and your lifeline in many ways. And so, I think, you know, just fast forward so many years later um, through my sister, Tina, finding out what Juliet was doing with our podcasts and reconnecting and reaching out to each other, just to say, hey, this is really cool what we're doing um, which what Juliet was doing with the podcast is extraordinary. Your Next Stop, like, we all have that next stop, we're all doing something next. We're never staying where we are. And I was doing everything with the NFL women with, which is NFL thread, which is a platform like Linkedin for NFL women, but includes events, which includes the Playbook Magazine that goes to current players and spouses. So, we just kinda like - I realized from the podcast that, you know, I was offering the story, and I was offering connection, but Juliet was going to offer a voice, and so that's when we collaborated on that. And we did, you know, with YNS Live with NFL Thread, which…it's so fun to share people’s stories.



Juliet Hahn: It really is. And I mean, we ended up being - I mean, what Cynthia had said she's like, listen, I want us to be at the Super Bowl. And of course, I'm like, yes! This is... I mean, it's so important to be able to share the story and one thing that Cynthia said that really stuck with me and that's why I was like, oh my gosh. I wanna be a ble let's to give this voice more is, there's so much for a girl to do at the - 



Cynthia Zordich: Yeah



Juliet Hahn: - Super Bowl. And for anyone that doesn't know, they put on these, I mean, two amazing events. So, Cynthia puts on a networking - 



Cynthia Zordich: Mhmm.



Juliet Hahn: - or a um, or a workshop. Which, this year, it was a networking event, where she shares this playbook, and this playbook goes out to every one of the NFL members, the family. And what really struck me is what a close knit family these guys are, and we don't see it from the outside because, you know…I became fascinated as Cynthia was telling the story, and realizing, as she said, when, going back to when I was babysitting, I was about seventeen years old - and the thing that's crazy is since Cynthia and I are not that many years apart, we just had, you know, kids at different times. So, I was this teenager watching her kind of go through this journey, which I didn't realize until the story unfolded later in life - 



Cynthia Zordich: Mhmm.



Juliet Hahn: - you know if you guys have listened to any of my podcasts, you know that I really truly believe people are brought into your world for a reason, you know. And it could be a small reason, could be a big reason. And I really really believe that this platform, and what Cynthia is doing with Thread and with the NFL community and then with the...with the podcast, is really -  that’s why we were supposed to kind of - our paths were supposed to connect. And, so we were able to go to these two events on Friday, the Off the Field Wive’s Association, which Cynthia is the Vice President.



Cynthia Zordich: Yeah.



Juliet Hahn: And people don't realize for twenty one years they have been putting on a fashion show, which raises millions of dollars for charity of the local community where the Super Bowl is.

And, when she told me that I said, well, I don't understand why I don't - I don’t know this…it's like, I'm a bright person. I follow sports. It's like…why, why don't we know this? And she was like, yeah, a lot of people don't know it. And it's because of the servant's heart, that so many of these women have, which no one really knows. So, that's where our story and this podcast really just kinda came about even more because it was like you guys are doing all these really amazing things. The amount of work that you're doing behind the scenes, and the amount of good that you're doing for your communities and people outside - 



Cynthia Zordich: Mhmm. 



Juliet Hahn: - should be should be known. And and and it's really, you know, Cynthia one of the things, and and I've talked about the couple times that really fascinated me was when we were on the red carpet for the Friday event, and even at the networking event on Thursday that Cynthia throws with with Thread, is - I would say that, you know, in the interview and say, can you tell us who you are, you know, and why you're here? And, they would say who they were,

and then they would tell me who their husband was, and how many years they played. And and then I would say, okay…well, what about you? And, who are you? And, and I am not kidding,

it wasn't just one. It wasn't just two. It was more than I would like to even admit went wait…you wanna know about me? 



Cynthia Zordich: Yeah.



Juliet Hahn: And I said, yes! I wanna know about you. Why are you here? And then it was like, this light just came like, pouring out of them, and it was like, no one's ever asked me, thank you so much. And, the amount of brands that these women have, the amount amount of things that they're juggling, raising a family - 



Cynthia Zordich: Right. 



Juliet Hahn: - going from, you know, city to city, and and you're one of them, I mean, I know you you always get a little uncomfortable when I talk about this, but it is it's so fascinating the amount of stuff that you guys actually do that people don't know, and not that you should be standing up and shouting from rooftops, but it is really, really amazing the amount of people that you guys touch. And so that more, we were like, okay, how can we kind of do this, you know, make this even bigger. So, when we started talking about, you know, doing another series -

excuse me, because with NFL Thread with YNS Live within NFL Thread, it's really about the stories of the women. And we said, we wanna kinda incorporate where we can also talk to some of the players, and so Cynthia wrote this book. Go ahead.



Cynthia Zordich: Oh, okay. Before we do go into that, I do wanna back up a - 



Juliet Hahn: Yes.



Cynthia Zordich: - tiny bit...because you had mentioned the people that you meet. And so I kind of wanna touch on something that, to me, is so important, and that is when -  when I was writing for NFL Player Engagement and when I was starting Thread and I realized for me, the importance of connection. That's when Troy Vincent said to me, you need to meet Ericka Lassiter. And um, you know, it turns out that Erica was married to, is you know, Kwamie’s wife and Kwamie was with the Cardinals and he was the safety, just like my husband was, you know. So, I immediately was like, that's so crazy they came right after we left. So, in meeting Ericka, and being introduced to Off the Field Players Wives Association, which is now NFL Wives...you know, Players Wives Associations…The NFL Live Players Wives Association…come on! It was like…wow, like, this whole group of women that, you know, for me, I just wanted it - everybody to know what everybody was doing. So for me, to meet Erica and to be introduced Off the Field, was like, wow look at this group of women that are just - it's a sisterhood, and it's doing something in every single community that we enter. And, you know, I was just immediately taken, and they immediately opened their arms to me, and it was something that um, through Thread, I felt that I could encourage new membership, spread the word, tell the story. So, I think that even with what we're doing…me being able to be, especially now, like being honored to be the Vice President, um Ericka Lassiter, it was the president for so - I think it was thirteen years…and, you know, with the change happening because of everything that you're supposed to do, and we had this great election, and we brought in Rachel Mackenzie as the new president, and she's just been incredible, and I just feel like, really, really proud to be a part of that. And, Ericka, of course, is still so involved in it because once you are in Off the Field, you're always - you're always connected, and you're always doing - from the founders on. So, I just wanted to make sure I touched on that because…to say how important it is to me and if anybody doesn't know about Off the Field, you know, to definitely look at OfftheFieldpwa.org. So, I just definitely wanted to put that out there.



Juliet Hahn: No. And I love that. And the other thing is, which I thought was so cool too, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Sherice Brown was one of the people that that founded - when we really came up with the fashion show, but it was because of her best friend, who Angela - who we will be having on the podcast - 



Cynthia Zordich: Right. Oh - 



Juliet Hahn: - to share her story. But, if you guys have not listened or seen where we were at the networking event, Thread, um, and that was on Thursday, you guys can hear all these little snippets, and if you go to either of our social media you can kind of get these snippets, and the thing that was just as Cynthia said, the the power of connection, which sometimes is lost, I really believe, and that's why we always say just be aware. Be aware who you're meeting, who you're around, who you can connect with in other people because when we all get together, and we lock arms is when we really make changes, and that's what Cynthia and I, you know, that is our goal here. That is our goal. To create a space where we can maybe help the next, you know, the next family that's gonna go through. And now, I'm gonna bring it to Pivot.



Cynthia Zordich: Right. 



Juliet Hahn: So, every time we would do our interview, Cynthia, you know, we would kind of talk and - and she would say, um, you know, I wanna - I wanna revisit when the clock runs out. And I...you know, if you guys have not heard Cynthia’s full story you guys can check that out. Uh, you can go to my social media, or you can also go to IamJulietHahn.com or any of the podcast players, and you can see Cynthia’s full story, but the thing that was really cool was you...you know, we've you've touched on that a couple times. And then so we were thinking about how we're gonna bring the players in, and right, how can we highlight the players, and - 



Cynthia Zordich: Mhmm. 



Juliet Hahn: - and not just the players, but other people that have gone through pivoting, gone through transitions, and that's what's really important because we all have. You know, you and I...we have similarities…we’re mothers, we've gone into the transition of mothers, we've, you know, graduated college, and transitioned and pivoted our lives in different ways. You have the NFL, where I have a different, you know, a different journey, but we have similarities. And, a lot of us, men and women, have similarities, more than we realize. And, it's our stories that are gonna connect us. Our stories that are gonna maybe make someone else's with life

a little bit easier because they're gonna say, you know what? I heard this on a podcast, and now I feel better. So, can you take us…because I remember in the interview, one of the things that you said is before Michael was leaving the league…and Michael was with the...he was in the league for twelve years.



Cynthia Zordich: Mhmm.



Juliet Hahn: Which is a really long time for an NFL player. And so Cynthia, who is a super curious person, that's one of the other reasons why we connect, because we always ask questions. We always are thinking a little bit like, hey, wait. I wanna know a little bit more about this. When it was time, and Cynthia was already preparing for it, even though Michael was not preparing for it. So, can you take us through, and he probably was preparing for it in…in a different way, but as you have said so beautifully, you know, when you're a player, and when you are, especially a professional athlete, you maybe, you know, started off playing flag football when you were five years old. And, you got the bug and you were like, I love this, and then you have a dream: I wanna be an NFL player, you know, all little kids, you know, I still, my…my boys wanted professional soccer players, professional football players, whatever it was, is something that they see kinda out there. And…um and then…and then some...you know, the - the one percent, this dream comes true. And then, that's what really then also got me fast because

I was thinking about, oh my gosh. Okay. So when you do leave the league, and this is all

you've known, what does that do to you mentally? What does that do to your family? So, can you take us a little bit through why you wrote Where the Clock Runs Out, and how that kind of came about?



Cynthia Zordich: Yes um…definitely. When you say that it reminds me of my husband's teammate Ron Wolfley. When I asked him about football, and letting go, he...he said, well, what do you do for the rest of your life when you can no longer do what you were born to do? And - 



Juliet Hahn: Oh



Cynthia Zordich: You know?



Juliet Hahn: Yeah.



Cynthia Zordich: And then…yeah. He was, like…really profound about that, and he really had to stop and think about that. There's a lot to do, but at the time, you know, it’s just white…you know just taken right from you. So, when...When the Clock Runs Out, when you have…when your husband's in the league, and…or any type of professional sport, it's out there, you know, in the world, and there's lots of discussions going on about, you know, your life, and your husband's career that, you know, it trickles through into your life. So, you know, you get these little signs that the end is coming, like, when your neighbor says some…don't listen to anything that they say about Michael. You know, they don't know what they're talking about. You're like…okay? You know? And then when your sister is like, did you read the paper? Like, and you’re like, no…didn't read the paper. We even did an event there where it was like maybe, you know…maybe we should look at somebody to replace you guys for next year, for co-hosting the  event. So, you get these little signs that you're on your way out. And - 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: So you kind of like … 



Juliet Hahn: And that's so hard! But like…that like…that has to, as you said, I mean, that has to, and you have to have a certain type of personality, which, you know, we'll…we'll go into. But, go ahead.



Cynthia Zordich: Right? Yeah. It's weird. Like, if…if somebody says like, how - how old are you guys? How old is your husband? You know that they're like, you know, counting how much time you have left, and so you kinda just roll with it. And you just kinda, like, oh okay…this is... we're on our way out, you know, this is it. Michael was thirty six years old, you know, we - you kinda figure you’re on your way out. But he, of course, wasn't thinking that way. And, you know, why would he, because he, you know, was starting, he was playing every game, he's healthy, and he's can…you know, everything is in. 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: So what happened was we were in the season, in Philadelphia, and one of our dearest friends, Andy Harman, was released right in the middle of the season. And, so it was kind of weird, you know, we were like, you know, it was between KT and, you know, Christie…Christie and Andy and Julie and Rhett, like, we all hung out together. You know, we just…we were always doing things together, and all the sudden it was like, okay well, we're not seeing Andy and Christie after the games, we’re not…you…you know, what are they doing?We knew they had a new baby, we knew that, so it was like, well, let's…let's see them. Let's have dinner. Let's plan something. So we did. We had dinner, and at dinner, we talked about everything, but the fact that he wasn't playing anymore. We talked about everything, but football. You know, we talked about the baby, we talked about the weather, we talked about food, and I was like…I got in the car with Michael, and I was like, Michael, like…what? How? We didn't even talk about, like, what are they...what are they going through? And he's like, babe, you know, you don't…you-you don't talk about it. And it's like, I know, but like, he's one of us. He…they’re...you know, they're one of us, and all of a sudden it was like, what do you talk about when that's just taken from you in the conversation? And I'm…and I was like, is this what it’s gonna be like, for us? You know, I-I just didn't wanna just drop off into this black hole and disappear from this life that I, you know, I loved, and that I was really kind of used to…and so it was just really bugging me. And I was like, you know, Michael, we…we need to start thinking about that. Like, what is it gonna be like when you're done, like, when it's over? and when…he was like *snaps fingers* when the clock runs out, and I'm like - 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: Yeah, what’s it gonna be like, when the clock runs out, you know? So, I was like you know what? I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna look into this. I'm gonna...I'm gonna ask people all the hard questions that seems like that nobody wants to talk about. And that, of course, was back then. Back then nobody wanted to talk about it. You know, they used to say if a player was injured, nobody would visit that player in…you know, in the hospital because it's just understood. Like, you don't wanna see it, and, you know, you don't wanna, you know, kind of, like, confront it. And if a player retired, you just know, don't go into the locker room because nobody wants to see you because you represent something that nobody wants to be a part of, yet. Um, that has all changed, which is great. But at the time, yeah, I didn't wanna fall into that black hole, so I…I caught...I…looks like I'm doing this. So, Jimmy Solano, my husband's agent, is just the greatest guy and family, you know? And I said Jimmy, I wanna do this, can you help me? And, at the time I was only doing photography. I wasn't doing any writing, except for myself. And, so for - 



Juliet Hahn: Because how old were the kids? I don't mean to interrupt you, but how old were your kids? 



Cynthia Zordich: Oh, So if it was ninety eight, you know, Michael Vincent was third grade, Alex was first grade and Aidan was in, like, just cutting into Kindergarten.



Juliet Hahn: Kindergarten. Yeah. Okay.



Cynthia Zordich: And, I remember that because I just, you know, I just told Aidan this, that everything…everything I did she was right at my feet - 



Juliet Hahn: Right.


Cynthia Zordich: - you know, she was my sidekick. So, it was really fun. So, Jimmy Salono was like, oh I know…I know exactly...like you need to...here's what you need to do. And I think, you know, Bill Ryan…he…he wrote some incredible articles, and everyone that he would write I would save…if, you know, Michael was involved in the story. He just…it was like poetry and football - 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: - and his talent was just unbelievable. And, so I was like I would really love to see if Bill Ryan would be interested in taking on these stories, and I would line them all up for him. I would take all the photographs from today, and kind of, like, cover them with photographs from playing days, and so Jim Solano, he really set us up, and we had this meeting, and Bill was in. And so…and I didn't like…I wanted to be clear that it was a…a collaboration between the two of us, you know? Because, you know, some people like to, oh, you know, hire somebody to ghost write, or this and that, but Bill Ryan came to me and was like, his…it needed to be told that these were his stories because he just spun the most beautiful tales.



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: So that's what we did. And, Bill and I were just like, for two years just back and forth, we got this guy, we got that, this guy’s in, they’re in, we got these quotes, and it was just so much fun, and I enjoyed the ride with him, and I… and the stories were fantastic. And then, when I would go photograph the players and their spouses, that's when I got to have these amazing conversations with the women, and that's when they were giving me such great advice, you know? And that, you know…and it was just awesome. And, if I could revisit it, I would’ve had a chapter for the players, and a chapter for the wives, but at that point, you know, I was just young and new in the publishing world, and Triumph was very clear on what they wanted. So, we had twenty NFL grades talking about letting go of the sport. So we had, like, Ronnie Lott,  Rocky Bleier, Dan Reeves, Mike Ditka, Ron Jaworski, Hollywood Henderson, Stump Mitchell, Bill Fralic, which was a high school friend of mine, so I was really glad to have his story in there Ron Wolfley, my husband's teammate…some…Larry Wilson, who actually told my husband that he had his first son.



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: So they all shared their stories, and they were all...it all had a hardship triumph, and…and that's what I was really going for because I really wanted it to be like a precautionary tale for…for me, not to be selfish, but I wanted to know that there was…there is…you know, there is another side to it, and also for others, you know, that were…in the future… future generations of players. Like, this is what happens. 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: This is the path you're going to take. So... Yeah. That's awesome.



Juliet Hahn: That's amazing and…that's amazing. And I-I am…I am so excited just to dive into this. And, you know, everyone that's in the audience, I, and Cynthia I didn't throw this out to you, but I'm gonna have…if anyone in the audience wants to come up and…just ask us, like a quick question…these guys, I know I've seen them all through Fireside so they might be like, yeah, I want…and…and as we go, so our first guest, guys, which is really exciting, is gonna be happening this Friday at noon, and his name is Joe Barksdale. He's with the league for eight years. He actually, in 2019…right Cynthia? It was 2019? 



Cynthia Zordich: Yes. 



Juliet Hahn: He hung up his cleats, and I can't wait for you guys to hear the story because he went into…music, but he was recently diagnosed with autism. So, he and his wife are gonna be joining us, and this is what Cynthia and I want to bring you guys is…these stories of the husband and the wife, and it's not gonna always be that way, but this is the first one. It's just gonna be really exciting because we're gonna really dive into this, and why Joe went into the

NFL. It wasn't something…this is not...this wasn't his childhood dream. So, I'm gonna give you a little bit of…this wasn't his childhood dream. It was a talent that, you know, I-whether you believe in God or the universe, he was given and…and it's just how his life played out. So, we’re really excited for this and…and Cynthia named some of, you know, the Clock Runs Out people and 

we're gonna be getting you guys some really big heavy hitters with some really amazing stories. So…uh and it's gonna be not nothing like you guys have really ever kinda witnessed because we're gonna be asking questions that are just questions that we're…we're curious about. We're curious about what it's like and…and their stories of how leaving, it's gonna be vulnerable, it’s gonna be fun. It's gonna be, you know, really, really some insightful stories. So, I'm excited.



Cynthia Zordich: When you say heavy hitters, to me, what that means is: stories.



Juliet Hahn: Yeah.



Cynthia Zordich: Heavy stories…Heavy hitting, true, honest, transparent… 



Juliet Hahn: Yes.



Cynthia Zordich: Stories about letting go. Not necessarily the stories that you've heard over and over again.



Juliet Hahn: No.



Cynthia Zordich: Either in the media, you know, but really stories, and and you're right, it could be the spouse…it could be the…the partner that wants to talk. It could be the player that wants to talk. They might want to discuss it together. I can't even imagine discussing it with Michael on a show, let alone in a room because we had completely different takes on the same part of our life. 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: But it’d be awesome if others could do it, you know, without -



Juliet Hahn: No, Totally.



Cynthia Zordich: - and agree on something, I…we wouldn’t agree on anything. So funny.



Juliet Hahn: Right. Well, and…but that's…but that's the beauty about it. And that's, yeah when I  mean heavy hitters, these are stories that you guys…these are the untold stories that you guys have not heard, and that's what's really important for us is to share these stories because it's gonna be different views, and different thoughts and different…emotions because everyone has them. And, then if you really think…anyone that's listening whether you guys are on Facebook, Twitter, Twitch, Youtube, if you think about, you know, and I think we've already given you a couple things to think about that you probably haven't thought about. But, you know, as I said to 

Cynthia, I'm a smart woman, and I can't believe that, like, when you know, my kids and my husband or my daughter would say, oh my gosh, this person got traded to this team, whether…whatever sport it is, and we would all cheer, that's so exciting. And, then after hearing the first…I think it was when...definitely, when I was talking to you, but I think it was Tommy Vincent, that was the-the guest, and a couple of the other women, and I went oh my gosh. I'm never gonna look at that the same because I've chosen to move, but I can't imagine what that does, and you really do have to have a very special personality because what that does to know, okay. I'm only in this-this town for a little bit. What the that does to the husband, to the wife, to the kids - 



Cynthia Zordich: Right. 



Juliet Hahn: - because I know for me, you know, when we lived in the city, I knew that the…I was gonna live in the city for not my whole life. So, I remember there was times where I definitely wasn't like I don't really need to go to that party because…like I’m not gonna be here in two years I don't mean to meet, you know, and or...like, I don't wanna start this business because I might not be here and so some people do think like that. So that's...I mean, that's the thing that's gonna be really interesting, kind of diving into that, and then hearing how people's personalities you know … 



Cynthia Zordich: That actually makes me when you say that because, you know, free agency did change all that, you know…taking the football family atmosphere. And…changing it, you know, because I remember growing up in Pittsburgh, you know, the Steelers were are family - 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: Lynch Swann, Terry Bradshaw, Frank Harris, you know, they were my family. My mother considered them family. So, it changed it, but...but what…it makes me sad when you say that. But, what I think happened in the free agency is that we are so aware of how small the circle is, and how quick it is and how viscous it is that we all still dive in every single time, and I do appreciate that even being a coaches wife now, there's people are constantly leaving my life, constantly leaving in my life … 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: It’s a constant in my life, and I'm making friends, and they're leaving. But, I-I made commitment to never had that mentality of ‘why bother?’ because they're leaving next year anyways, or I’m leaving next year anyways - 



Juliet Hahn: Right.



Cynthia Zordich: year anyways, you're on unlearning next year. And because of that, I've made so many quick friends that continue to stay in my life. You know, Like, you know, even at admission again with, you know, amber and background Brown, you know, and, you know, whereas the partners which just we're connected birth and so many others, but that's just the most recent


Juliet Hahn  00:29:05 



Cynthia Zordich  00:29:04 

like, change oh my bye. You know,

in the same token one of those girls went over central. So now I'm back with Karen


Juliet Hahn  00:29:12 



Cynthia Zordich  00:29:10 

we going. So it's like, it's like, crazy, you know, like,


Juliet Hahn  00:29:13 

but but but I... But I think it does take a certain personality because I even remember when my sister moved to

charlotte, And she was like, it's not gonna be forever. She's was like, I'm so

she had, like, one foot in and one foot out. And I remember

like, seven years in. She's like, I need

this is where I'm living, and I we were like, yeah. We we kinda knew that.

she's like, but I didn't know and I thought I was coming back to More coming back to the East Coast.


Cynthia Zordich  00:29:32 



Juliet Hahn  00:29:35 

And so it really does take a step and whether it's

you know, And this is something that we could talk about because I think this is now fascinating whether it's

a born personality trait that you... Or it's something that you kinda learned

Okay. I need to take every opportunity. It doesn't matter because people are in and out of my


Cynthia Zordich  00:29:50 




Juliet Hahn  00:29:52 

life. Right? So it it's... It's kind of a fascinating thing there. And


Cynthia Zordich  00:29:54 



Juliet Hahn  00:29:56 

Mean, just thinking about Brandy scales who was just on


Cynthia Zordich  00:29:57 



Juliet Hahn  00:30:00 

the episode and how many times pat


Cynthia Zordich  00:30:04 



Juliet Hahn  00:30:03 

was in added generally, out like,

again, that takes a very

special person


Cynthia Zordich  00:30:07 



Juliet Hahn  00:30:11 

and special, meaning you have to have a certain mindset of and and in it again, And that's why

you know, I think if we think about the world and how God creates us sort of how the universe

creates us. It's really kinda cool to think

he puts us in places and gives us places


Cynthia Zordich  00:30:23 



Juliet Hahn  00:30:26 

and gives us opportunities that we can handle or that he knows is we're gonna thrive


Cynthia Zordich  00:30:27 



Juliet Hahn  00:30:30 

And so that's like, really where you just kinda have to say, okay. Well, this is my life. This is

how I need to kind of handle it, but it's also these stories.

that we're able to kinda put out there that you're able to write about that you're able to talk


Cynthia Zordich  00:30:43 



Juliet Hahn  00:30:42 

to people about that are able to help the next generation of Nfl thousands. Like, hey,

this is the best advice I can give you. So that's why I'm

so excited about, you know, all of this and


Cynthia Zordich  00:30:53 

You can



Juliet Hahn  00:30:53 

And they think it's just gonna be really wonderful. So

I'm gonna ask anyone in the audience. I know there's a few. I you people have been in and out, Dave,

Tony or Elizabeth. Do you guys have any questions? Do you wanna jump up and ask

cynthia the i about the new show, we will definitely be having where we're gonna have some

you know,

participation. I know with y live with Nfl thread. We're a little bit

more guarded with that because it's... You know, sometimes it's like

we don't know who's in the audience. I know you guys Have seen you guys before. So

we are, you know, comfortable to you guys coming up and asking us to question, and I think it's gonna be really fun.

for the audience to have a little bit whether they're are asking questions in the, you know, react

button. You guys, if you wanna do that too and you're gonna a space because I know


Cynthia Zordich  00:31:35 



Juliet Hahn  00:31:35 

nowadays, people are back in offices and their listening, and then i'll show through sometimes

or it's on lunch break. So you cannot jump up, it's totally fine.

if you do wanna send a a message in you guys can go over to that little

the little emoji over here where it says react. And if you wanna put something in,

it's the kind of a guy going you can ask the question there, Then if you're not

ready for it up to it.

totally fine. And don't even worry because we're gonna be here on Friday, and we're gonna be bringing you

again, some really insightful wonderful stories. We're still doing y live and a

thread. We still have those in the docket too, and then I still have, you know, why this live.

shows as well. So you guys are just gonna get a lot of different perspectives from all of us.

so I'm excited

Yeah. So since the do have any closing remarks?


Cynthia Zordich  00:32:27 

No. So



Juliet Hahn  00:32:29 

Sorry to.


Cynthia Zordich  00:32:31 

I I didn't know you're gonna say that. I didn't know you're son i you're asking. Me a question.


Juliet Hahn  00:32:34 

Oh, we well, it's a

twelve five. I know that we were gonna just do a half hour that I just

wanted to respect that time, but we don't also have to be over.


Cynthia Zordich  00:32:43 

Oh, you no. It's great. So let me think about



I guess, you know, what I wanna say is that

if you

have a story transition that you


Juliet Hahn  00:32:59 

Oh, sorry. Yes.


Cynthia Zordich  00:33:00 



as you know, others would benefit from hearing. You know, I didn't even really get to talk to you about

what we experience michael on, you know, in transition,

which I would like to... I think we could probably run some more minutes Right?


Juliet Hahn  00:33:12 

Oh, do we can do it. We can


Cynthia Zordich  00:33:14 





Juliet Hahn  00:33:15 

we have an hour. We have totally of the hour. I know we had said that we were doing half an hour. So that's why I wanted to do that. But, yeah,


Cynthia Zordich  00:33:19 

Knew I

like it would be... It wouldn't be right by one year a little bit about what we went through as a



Juliet Hahn  00:33:26 



Cynthia Zordich  00:33:26 

in my because it there was a lot of them

humor to it, but I think a lot of

The reason why it it pan off weight was because

you know, I... I finished the book. It was kinda crazy that

you know, when the conference felt took me from ninety eight

into Michael's final


Juliet Hahn  00:33:47 

Yeah. That is.


Cynthia Zordich  00:33:47 

year. So

luck for him, the book

k out.


you know, book signing, in Philadelphia, New York.

right? When Michael what that resigned by the.



Juliet Hahn  00:33:58 

Oh, my gosh.


Cynthia Zordich  00:34:01 

Every time the microphone went to Michael, it was like,

you're living the boat.

how does that feel?

How are you feeling? And he was like,

I'm gonna kill you.


Juliet Hahn  00:34:15 



Cynthia Zordich  00:34:14 

only quote in the book was I don't wanna be in this book because


Juliet Hahn  00:34:20 



Cynthia Zordich  00:34:18 

No one meant because he was retired, but I sent

felt to thousands of nfl players

just give me a quote. Give me a story, Tell me something about this transition, and I have

quiz quote pepper through the whole book, you know, not just the twenty stories, but there's a

ton of quotes.


Juliet Hahn  00:34:32 



Cynthia Zordich  00:34:35 

about what they went through. So Michael Crow was I don't wanna be in this book.

Michael didn't wanna retire. And then when he didn't get refused by the eagle

the eagles. I mean, Jeffrey and Christina Laurie, you know, and

all the coaching staff, you know, like gray rhoads, everybody, Job,

they were just and at Thomas. They were just so wonderful to Michael.

they wanted to do a send off. You know, let's have a party. Let's have a day

let's celebrate your retirement.

and while, you know, we'll do it a again.

And Michael was just like, yeah. You know, I I appreciate that gesture.


Juliet Hahn  00:35:08 



Cynthia Zordich  00:35:10 

but I'm not retired. Yeah I'm not done. You know? So


Juliet Hahn  00:35:13 



Cynthia Zordich  00:35:14 

So I was just like goodness, You know, my lord, he's

not done, You know, he's not ready and

so then my kids would go went to school and

now we're in Ohio, and they're like, so your dad retired,

and so my head, when people ask you, when people say that you correct them,

and tell them

that I did retire.

That's a choice. Now I was thrown out.


Juliet Hahn  00:35:38 



Cynthia Zordich  00:35:37 

just tell him I was thrown out. I'm like, Michael. You you can't have a kids

just saying that you were grown out. And you think it's

too. And I think I didn't retire until like, go okay.


So now I'm doing, you know, I have been talking about these people and

Rental was one of the guys. He was like,

you tell your husband


she needs to knock on every door.

And if they all close, start over again and knock on every door again

another thing,

wheat grass.

wheat crash. Needs to start taking cross. And I'm like,

Okay. I'll tell him so I came back and I told michael last friends said wheat grass. Is the answer.

so... No. My, like, no. Like, okay.

So it was a ball in

you know,

the grass, you could snow time to go back. You know, you know, it's time to get



Juliet Hahn  00:36:30 



Cynthia Zordich  00:36:31 


being there it's august, like,

I'm like, what are you doing here? You guys supposed to be here, like,

you know, you can't tell us to do this. This is what we usually do in august, you can't those

do that. You're not supposed to be here. So

there is a long particular day. The way we had... In fact, I was wearing it right now.

this little

office area in my house.

and right, right on this side is the piano.

So Michael was like, well I'm gonna

I'm gonna teach i myself play the piano. He started as soon as the

off season had started. What was off and pam, that it was really like his transition year.

so he was


Juliet Hahn  00:37:03 



Cynthia Zordich  00:37:07 

can themselves to play the piano, and that, like,

you know, I'm in there working, and, I'm like, oh, driven. I'm like, crazy about what I'm doing,

kind of market this thing. I'm trying get out there, and he's next

  1. And the the music I was hearing was

you know,

try to remember the tears and

timber. Right? And then it's like yesterday. I'm like,


Juliet Hahn  00:37:31 



Cynthia Zordich  00:37:31 

I get up from coming

and he like, stops and, like,

got any i tighter or anything.

over here. So


Juliet Hahn  00:37:44 



Cynthia Zordich  00:37:41 

he doesn't know that You just say his shoulders. He just starts sickness this shoulders his.

know is funny. I'm like,


Juliet Hahn  00:37:47 

Oh my god. That's a hilarious.


Cynthia Zordich  00:37:49 

Oh my god. Well... And he was just mad. It was really angry. He was

he was really angry. And he went to watching all

Now the season started who wasn't watching football and

Christina, Laurie,

the the evils are playing

Pittsburgh, she asked us to come do the game through ten again being the box

so that's, you know, on my Christina.

Do you want my husband diving off of your about for


Juliet Hahn  00:38:16 



Cynthia Zordich  00:38:15 

a national television onto that field.

well you think I trust him being at that game, and she's, like,

are you kidding me still? I'm like, yeah. I know. He's not there yet. So

So it was like, hell of a year, You know? Because

I was dealing with him, you know, and, you know,

it was like you went he went from starting to not getting a call.

it was over. You know, but... But he didn't... He didn't feel it what. So


Juliet Hahn  00:38:40 



Cynthia Zordich  00:38:41 

it was crazy. But I remembered that

Time and Mcdonald's wife.

patricia said to me

Just remember that this

when he goes through his own transition, just remember that

this is your husband right now.

it isn't him for the rest of his life.


Juliet Hahn  00:39:00 



Cynthia Zordich  00:39:01 

it is so

you're not looking at the... How you're gonna live for the rest of your life. It's just telling he gets to the other

time. You know? And she had said that Tommy was


experience. He had so much energy and so much love for the game.

it took a lot for him to figure out what he wanted to do, you know, with

this energy and with this passion for the game, and he up doing something cool.

in the field like, with

porch and art and everything like that.

around football ball. So I just heard with thinking that in, like, watching him and being like,

Oh, okay. I can I can do this because he's is gonna, you know,

he's it's gonna head on and he's gonna be fine.


Juliet Hahn  00:39:39 



Cynthia Zordich  00:39:40 

but it's gonna take a while. You know? And then finally, there's they're came a

point where he knew

he's he's like,

Alright. I'm done. It's it's over. You know, I

he could feel it in his body that he knew he couldn't play anymore. So that's when he realized that he


Juliet Hahn  00:39:55 



Cynthia Zordich  00:39:55 

could give it up took a lot. But in

lot of fighting, you know, a lot of, like, you should be blessed. Do you played this long? You'd like,



Juliet Hahn  00:40:04 



Cynthia Zordich  00:40:03 

How can you say that's to make? I also blessed oh, and then now he looks back on it.

And, especially because

you know, watching my time go through it,

it's a whole different story in it's a whole it's situation. And

that was more difficult for both of us than going through it alone just watching

my golden pen go through it was... And I know a lot of

a lot of the players families, especially the wise, know

exactly that I'm talking about right now if they watched their

sons and daughters pursue

their sport at the highest level because


Juliet Hahn  00:40:39 



Cynthia Zordich  00:40:40 

they expect to. Because


Juliet Hahn  00:40:43 

Right. Well,


Cynthia Zordich  00:40:42 

you always wanna do what your parents did. They you always want to do what your guide did. You

grew up with it. You wanna... You emulate them, and don't care if

father is a position if he is a

like, architect if he has landscaping and company, You know, you you wanna


Juliet Hahn  00:40:59 



Cynthia Zordich  00:40:58 

you know, if he's of carpenter you wanna do with dad did, you know? And so

seeing like Vincent works so hard and get to that highest level, and then

to get injured

and have it just like white, you know, and then to

to... You know, and, of course, the Caroline panthers were wonderful to him.

and they rehab them beautifully, and then he they went on to a

cactus squad and

New Orleans, but

in that swipe, it kind of like, just took his opportunity, I guess,

you know, for some reason, it never happened and

I have to say that

from that day back in the nineties when we went through it to now,

when Michael v went through it, like,

I went... I'm like, where do I do I went immediately to the Nfl

I went right to Player engagement. I went right to the legends. I'm like,


Juliet Hahn  00:41:49 



Cynthia Zordich  00:41:49 

I need help helping my fun through and the time

you know, keith elias was doing what was called

bridge to transition, but now it's called life's after football.


Juliet Hahn  00:41:58 



Cynthia Zordich  00:42:00 

like, you know the games gonna dot and

I thought found in leonard Wheeler called my.

and had a conversation on him

about, like what do you wanna? What are you thinking? What are you feeling?

reminding him of who he is and what he did and where he got

a high level and how if you get to that level, you can get that

that level on anything that you do, and they were very, very instrumental

in michael goal, finding his next passion, which became lethargic.

Like, absolutely, got him on the phone with a answering in wyoming


Juliet Hahn  00:42:34 



Cynthia Zordich  00:42:32 

to tell him, like, what she would do what he should do is

started his whole second career, and he has

glow love of the game and a lot of, like, respect

for where he got in the game, even though he kind got robbed with an injury and offered

trinity because the lot people recover from injury. You know, if I'm not saying

injury is the only factor. It's just so many factors in making



Juliet Hahn  00:42:57 



Cynthia Zordich  00:42:57 

love timing talent, you know? And so the timing of this injury

took his opportunity is the best way of it because there's a lot of people out there

he will have children or or cousins and south that can enter my god. Yes. You can

cover and go on play years and years and years and years.

even if you're several times. So seeing Michael now though and Kim

to the transition what they're teaching the guys now is

you're part of one percent that made it and

And that means you can make it in anything that you do. And

instead of being embarrassed that

you're done, the product of where you made it and what and make that be

thing that opens all of your doors and

that to me

is why I wanted to talk about that because of this change in how awesome it is now and why

the more we tell these stories

the more people will be inspired to

think about what they wanna do after a while they're still playing because it's a different mindset

you know, Like, now, guys are able to do that. You can think about both

and it's okay.


Juliet Hahn  00:43:57 

Right. No. But I love that and thank you so much for sharing all that because

it it it really brings you in perspective though.

like, what you're saying is like, Michael wasn't ready. So he was pissed.

Right. He was pissed. He's like, no. Don't tell me. I can't play.

And when you think about that, you know... And I'm gonna bring it to Tom Brady for a second because I always

like, we'll we'll say, I can't believe he's still, like, playing. I would just

like, when you're like, at your best, I would think that's when you wanna retire.

but I'm not thinking deep into someone's brain. Right? I'm thinking of, like,

don't you just wanna go out when it's like, you're at the best, but sometimes,

you also have something to prove on on this age. I can still do it. Don't tell me because I'm this age

I can't do it anymore. Or don't tell me. I need to stop

So I also get that and I love how you said,

that advice, like, you... If you get to there because that is. I mean, the dedication

that you put to

where you are playing. And this is it takes us and I believe we were talking to this

to Brandy is there's talent

out. I've actually talked to my kids about this so much. Like, you can be

super super super talented, and you can be the best athlete out there.

but you don't have the drive.

as the next person next to you, and that person next to you actually can make it further.

because they have that drive.

and that drive gets them there. It gets them where they they keep continuing can keep

keeps to continue. So talent alone doesn't get you there. It's it's the

all of the things that are, you know, encompassing that.

you know, with Brandy day, we were talking about being a gym. Like, you can be an amazing

jim this you could be, like, you know, flip all around. You can have the the


Cynthia Zordich  00:45:33 



Juliet Hahn  00:45:33 

you know, the flexibility, but you have to have a certain mindset


Cynthia Zordich  00:45:35 



Juliet Hahn  00:45:36 

you have to have that's preferred the dogs are like, okay. You to have a certain mindset. So

and then taking it to where, you know, Michael Z went through that. That had to been

as a mom watching him, that had to been really hard

I'm gonna... I'm gonna let you talk because I'm wanna yell at Her right now. He's


Cynthia Zordich  00:45:52 

Right. Yeah. I think that you're right.

Yes. You you should have dry. And many

most athletes do have drive. That's not enough.


tons of talent, you could be the best

it it it your skill position

it's not enough. You know, you get a both.

and you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. You know, you can have

not quite as much as an ex person, but you're in the right place at the right time. You know, it's just


Juliet Hahn  00:46:26 

it really is.


Cynthia Zordich  00:46:25 

crazy. How long

the factors that are involved, and that's why, sometimes you have to look at it, like,

a higher above to say,

Okay. This possibly isn't in my control, and something's

turning me and some kind of energies making this

not happen. And when these stopped no, Brandy, is a perfect example.

of somebody that

everybody around her was telling them

do something else.

it's time. Well, no.


Juliet Hahn  00:46:50 

Like no. Right


Cynthia Zordich  00:46:54 

a in, they waited and then that to me was a a good incredible story. And

so like, I feel like

Yeah. I think that

you know, that advice in terms of

just respecting transition and respecting what it is.

for you and respecting what it is for others.


something inside of him is saying

why? And, you know, i took quote run mostly again because he's an amazing writer.

you know, he said a warrior heart with no battle to fight

you know? So

it could possibly be that he is waking up and saying, why would I get

remove life myself from the battle when I can still participate


Juliet Hahn  00:47:32 



Cynthia Zordich  00:47:35 

at a higher level than most people. I mean, you know, so


Juliet Hahn  00:47:38 

Oh, I love that quote.


Cynthia Zordich  00:47:40 

I don't you. Yeah. I know.


Juliet Hahn  00:47:42 



Cynthia Zordich  00:47:42 



Juliet Hahn  00:47:43 

and it is. And as you said, it's stopping something that you love so much.

because Either were told


Cynthia Zordich  00:47:50 



Juliet Hahn  00:47:49 

it's pasture time or, you know, we don't need you anymore. For a mindset.

like that is hard. Like, I mean, that is that's like the


Cynthia Zordich  00:47:58 



Juliet Hahn  00:47:58 

I mean, that's crushing. So to have a supportive, you know, family to have

support behind. So I love that you went to the Nfl to look to them and say, okay. I need to help my


Cynthia Zordich  00:48:05 




Juliet Hahn  00:48:06 

my my son, because I don't know what to do. And a lot of people don't know that that's

happening behind the scenes. They don't give the Nfl, you know, the league, enough credit

for that. And so I love that you brought that up there. I do wanna say that Dave said

love you guys. Love the show Can't wait. And, yes, I'm gonna work right.

now So I can jump on so thank you do. I figured that

two twelve o'clock. I figured I've done that before where people are like, No. I wanna say something, but I can't. Because i'm


Cynthia Zordich  00:48:29 



Juliet Hahn  00:48:30 

sitting on my desk and I'm not allowed. So


Cynthia Zordich  00:48:32 



Juliet Hahn  00:48:33 

And cynthia thank you so much for sharing that story because

I don't think I've ever heard it to that way, but knowing, you know, knowing you now as well as

I know you now and knowing Michael a little bit more than I knew him before.

I can see that. And you are... I was just saying today on the other day, like,

what amazing human you are and

how you really... But you do, you really even people out. Like, you really take

out any... So I could see you just saying to Michael, okay. Well, this is where I am.


can you, like, stopped during that? And, like, let's figure this out. Like, you're just such a

calming force, and we all like, some people if we think about

have that in our lives and some people don't, but some people need more of it. So

I love that you're gonna be up here being able to talk to each of these people and

are the dogs. Really.


Cynthia Zordich  00:49:19 


No. And and and the nothing that I important to me is

I didn't do it right. You know? I just did... It was my life.

and there may be a lot of things I did wrong in transition.

but it was our story and so what happened to us. And that's the only thing I can say about pivot

and that I hope that it becomes is... If this isn't a... This isn't

telling anybody how to do anything. This is just

sharing what you went through. People can figure out where they fit in.

you know, people know, like,

people might have their husbands are totally different than my husband their situation is different than my

they're they're not me. I'm not that so what I hope do we get out of this is just

story telling

without there's no right or wrong way to go through transitions.

failing this is


Juliet Hahn  00:50:04 



Cynthia Zordich  00:50:04 

is also

thriving because you're gonna go somewhere from there.

That's what when the cock that really is. There's a lot of nose five.

in when the clock belt and then coming out, you know, of it, Like, okay.

this is where I need to be.

I can live without the game. I can't live without the game.

you know,


Juliet Hahn  00:50:22 

And then rick,


Cynthia Zordich  00:50:24 

last change

in transition.


Juliet Hahn  00:50:27 


Right. And they really do and then figuring it out and not only

is there gonna be... You know, some people can go through multiple transitions. I mean, we talk about that

you I talk about this in my show all the time.

know, I went to school. I went into advertising. I decided as choice

to stay home with the kids and then wear my career and where my journey went.

you know, it's like I lived a couple of different lives within my whole life. You know? And that's


Cynthia Zordich  00:50:50 



Juliet Hahn  00:50:51 

And now they're all connecting back, and that's what the power storytelling telling is.

and that's why I love that we're able to have this platform

that were able to get it out and share it with people and say, hey,

like these are, you know, these are stories that

might just change your life a little bit. My

might be a little bit of food for thought too and make you a better person.

just where you're expanding yourself. You know, it might just be something that you're like,

Didn't think about that. I'm gonna be a little bit more

consider it or I'm gonna be a little bit more thoughtful in that aspect, and I think that's where

the power storytelling selling really is, and that's the power of connection and

where we can just kind of all uplift each other by just listening to each other's stories and hearing it.


Cynthia Zordich  00:51:34 



Juliet Hahn  00:51:33 

so I cannot wait for us to go with Joe Bar because what we know a little bit about


Cynthia Zordich  00:51:36 



Juliet Hahn  00:51:38 

his story for Friday is gonna be

it's just gonna be


Cynthia Zordich  00:51:39 

And now per wait here, exactly.

and don't undermine what... Under undermine what you did, You know,


the the risk of saying


this city life

you know?

and there's a lot of

local obligation that comes with city life.

and structure her. And to be able to say,

You know, what good people

good place. Not for me. I'm taking my family, and we're gonna have this life

And a lot of people like that you might want to do that, but there's

but god, you know, that's like, you know, social suicide can do that. You know, I'll lose all those people

then guess what? No. You don't. They're a part of your


Juliet Hahn  00:52:23 



Cynthia Zordich  00:52:21 

story. There are chapter in their life. You publicly state

you do stay in touch with a lot of them because we


Juliet Hahn  00:52:26 

Oh, totally do I


Cynthia Zordich  00:52:28 

people that you'll fail all my friends doing this in New York, If I've doing that new york

And so you can... In that thing with the women in the league,

when your husband's done playing, you don't lose anybody.


Juliet Hahn  00:52:40 



Cynthia Zordich  00:52:39 

unless you choose to. You don't ease a lifestyle. It was always a part of your lifestyle.

the like thing it changes as you'd think you don't belong anymore. Until

you remove yourself from it. Then you can be removed from it physically.

that you can still keep that with you. You know, keeps us people with you.


Juliet Hahn  00:52:55 

No. And that's so true. And that's the, again, is always a theme in on this podcast

for someone will say, you know, I felt like

I was missing something or I felt like there was something more out there for me or

lifestyle for my family. I wanted something different. And, you know, for me to leave the city, that was hard.


Cynthia Zordich  00:53:11 



Juliet Hahn  00:53:12 

I love to the city. I still get to go back and and

be in there, but knowing that we wanted to raise, you know, three

kids in a certain way. The city just gonna make sense for us anymore. It just was like, you know what? Let's

Let's kind of expand this. You know, Dan still goes back and he still gets


Cynthia Zordich  00:53:28 



Juliet Hahn  00:53:27 

the piece of it, and I still can go back and and do things like that. So

I always say that people you you need to kinda think about the whole big picture

And and not just like, if you have the feeling a number of times,


Cynthia Zordich  00:53:35 



Juliet Hahn  00:53:37 

it's not just like the first time you have to kinda sit on that and be like, oh, that keeps coming up. That keeps coming up.


Cynthia Zordich  00:53:40 



Juliet Hahn  00:53:42 

what does that mean? Let's explore it. Let's explore that kind of feeling that thought.

you know that? So I love everything that you said, and I I can't wait for this.


Cynthia Zordich  00:53:52 



Juliet Hahn  00:53:51 

you know, this this pivot series, I think it's gonna be a really insight

one, and it's gonna be a great learning experience, and it's gonna be a great


Cynthia Zordich  00:54:00 



Juliet Hahn  00:53:58 

addition for our live shows, like our you know, our in person live shows.


Cynthia Zordich  00:54:00 

Exactly. And I feel like that it's really important to

say that it's

if any spouse or players

are listening, and they feel that they do wanna share the story. Just go to Nfl thread

slash when the o'clock belt.

Generally, can you read when conference out as a kindle and it's free?

you can also listen to it, and you can

you can figure out, like,

you know, where you fit there's a submission form,

just let us know, like, what it is that you wanna talk about and we'll

work to get as many people that we can on the show

knowing that there is no right wrong. You it is your story that you're telling

there is

there's... So it's easy tell your story.


Juliet Hahn  00:54:47 



Cynthia Zordich  00:54:48 

whether you, whether you think it's important or not, you're gonna reach

somebody who's gonna feel like you do.

whereas... I might have shared my story and somebody's like...

not at. What I went through.

not at all.


Juliet Hahn  00:54:59 

But, you know, And and something, I love that you just said that because

it is... There's so many people that I will talk to

and whether it's in the league or outside the league, and they'll be like,

I didn't think my my story was that important, and I have actually gone through it.

where I've been on other people's podcast because they've asked me to go on and they're like, you're

story fascinating. And I'm like, really?

I don't think of it as anything

fascinating. But then when I really talk about, okay,

the little dots that connected. I'm like, okay. I can see where someone else

is story

they why Find my story fascinating. Do you know what I mean? So

that is one something I want, and thank you, Dave people out there.

that something you just said, so, again, go to Nfl right. So no. I'm sorry. Go

yeah. Nfl thread dot com.



Cynthia Zordich  00:55:43 



Juliet Hahn  00:55:46 

when the clock runs out, and there's a submission form to get on the podcast

And, again, you might think, oh, my story is an original story. I don't

I didn't have crazy trauma or I didn't have this, and I didn't have that.

everyone's story as we just said here,

is gonna touch someone in some way, and it doesn't mean you have you could have

the the most perfect life where you had nothing, but everyone has

whether it's a little bit of trauma a big trauma, it doesn't matter. And I think I had a guest on that was like,

part is like, I don't say little tease or or big teas.


Cynthia Zordich  00:56:18 



Juliet Hahn  00:56:16 

like, you know, yeah. Some people have had some massive tragedy in their life.

But just because your a story you don't think that you had it. If you had anything happen

you. You know, people know my story where in third grade is kinda of when I realized wait, I learned

written I I'm deflect, and all of those journeys where teachers been say to me You're not trying hard enough

and, no. I wasn't getting beaten by the teachers.

but, emotionally, that was doing something to me and that was creating my story. And it was and it was

actually making me who I am today. And why I'm so resilient


Cynthia Zordich  00:56:46 




Juliet Hahn  00:56:45 

why I'm not afraid of failing because I did it so many times. So

a little part of your story can actually change someone else. I had someone just recently

listen to my episode that was

called my story I was teaching people how to, like, kind of really think back and think about their story.


Cynthia Zordich  00:56:58 



Juliet Hahn  00:57:01 

she and she messaged me. And she was like, I'm crying right now. And I was like, oh, why.

like, I just listen sent to your story, and I was like, oh, i made you cry. She's like, it brought so much back.

for me, she's like, I didn't realize I struggled in school, and I didn't like, and I kinda


Cynthia Zordich  00:57:14 



Juliet Hahn  00:57:15 

I kind of like, stuffed it and didn't think about it. She goes now my kids going

through it. And she's like, it just really. I was so on the treadmill, and I said to her,


Cynthia Zordich  00:57:18 



Juliet Hahn  00:57:23 

Wow. I said thank you so much. and I didn't wanna know this one. I

thank you so much for sharing that. And and she was like, but, you know what? It did. She's like, it made me

realize my kid's gonna be okay.


Cynthia Zordich  00:57:31 



Juliet Hahn  00:57:34 

Okay. I'm listening to your story, and I was like, okay. Well, that's

that's my whole purpose. You know? And so I love that. You just said that

so, again, anyone that's listening wherever you're listening, whether you're listening to the replay,

And, again, don't think, oh, no one's gonna wanna hear my story.


Cynthia Zordich  00:57:45 




Juliet Hahn  00:57:49 

there's people that wanna hear it.


Cynthia Zordich  00:57:51 

Yeah. And the other thing is


Juliet Hahn  00:57:56 



Cynthia Zordich  00:57:54 

it doesn't have to be hardship to triumph on. You know, perhaps

right because you planned for it and you


Juliet Hahn  00:58:01 



Cynthia Zordich  00:58:00 

feel like that's good advice that you can share

You know,


Juliet Hahn  00:58:03 

Brittany All. That's who I was thinking about.


Cynthia Zordich  00:58:05 

Yeah. Their mentor said,

Hi this Property

now because this can become your career,

afterwards. And so they just kind of like, groove right in

to the second chapter of their lives. You know, we're


Juliet Hahn  00:58:16 



Cynthia Zordich  00:58:17 

Oh, that to me is the number one thing It's just that period


Juliet Hahn  00:58:22 

Oh, who did that?


Cynthia Zordich  00:58:21 

somebody called the gap on the show who caught the gap that was so cool. With it learning?

What's if to send gap time. It's just like when you don't know what

you're gonna deal.


Juliet Hahn  00:58:28 


I feel like it was Britney or was... Were or was


Cynthia Zordich  00:58:35 



Juliet Hahn  00:58:35 

crystal. It was one of that because it was right around there. I don't


Cynthia Zordich  00:58:36 


So I think I was Crystal, David, and she turns such coping not to

her playbook, and everything that she had gone right now. I think she has some

I'm really great workshop happening right now firm


Juliet Hahn  00:58:46 




Cynthia Zordich  00:58:49 


You, chris Crystal David, if people wanna check out what she's on and

all so many of them amazing women have been on. But, yeah, a lot of them

and especially that the younger wives that are in and now

they're are... Like, they're like, okay.

know, we're branding. We're taking advantage of where we are right now, when we can our connections right now.


Juliet Hahn  00:59:12 




Cynthia Zordich  00:59:10 

and so I wanna hear those stories I wanna hear like, what eating that's making it work for you.

you know,


Juliet Hahn  00:59:15 



Cynthia Zordich  00:59:15 

or at least


Juliet Hahn  00:59:17 



Cynthia Zordich  00:59:16 

you know, the intention for to work get there.


Juliet Hahn  00:59:20 

Right. And also, but, like, even bringing it back to brain, I know we've talked about this a thousand times

but the thing that was cool about, you know, pat going up and down, jumping up and down,

she her own self said,

because she a go get. That I mean, that she was in in the middle her grew up in the middle

or family, and then she was a gym and input and was a gym in the college

so that just kinda paints the picture there. You can see someone that is a go get and a hard worker.


Cynthia Zordich  00:59:41 



Juliet Hahn  00:59:43 

but she said she knew

even when Nick patch still in the league, but she thought, wait. I wanna kinda

set this up because I want stuff for myself. And so those of this kind of stories also

like, you know, it might, again, as cynthia said, it might not be

you know, you had... You know, it was a it's a terrible story, but you might have just

then, like, someone told me this and I took that advice Maybe you heard the advice on one of the podcast

that we did. And it's, you know, just an example of what you wanna say, Like, hey. I listened to that up

so, and thank you because now I'm taking x y and z. So


Cynthia Zordich  01:00:14 

so many


Juliet Hahn  01:00:13 

your story is going to help someone period.


Cynthia Zordich  01:00:16 

in period


Juliet Hahn  01:00:16 

whether... Yeah.


Cynthia Zordich  01:00:17 



Juliet Hahn  01:00:17 

whether your husband was a league for half a season,


Cynthia Zordich  01:00:22 



Juliet Hahn  01:00:21 

to twelve seasons to eleven seasons whatever it was.

your story because of the journey that you went through and what you took out of it

to be able to share with others, and that's one thing people will not give themselves enough credit.


Cynthia Zordich  01:00:31 

That are


Juliet Hahn  01:00:33 

that's, you know, one of the things that I always wanna say. And if you're listening to this

and you know, your husband, you're like, oh, I don't know that I wanna do it, but my husband would love to share his story.

no, please. Again, nfl thread dot com, lowered slash when

I'm so excited.


Cynthia Zordich  01:00:47 

Yeah. Me too. I can't wait. I can't wait to hear

and just like, I've been wanting to send new stories for when the clock comes out for

so long. And this just really cool to do it in this way.

you know


Juliet Hahn  01:01:00 



Cynthia Zordich  01:00:59 

different away and instead of written chapters. And, of course, we lost

still line, he passed away.

after a, like, a long journeys and battle with Alzheimer's,

but, of course, being who he is,

team wrote. She


Juliet Hahn  01:01:15 



Cynthia Zordich  01:01:14 

chronicles. His whole experience. He called him al, like living without



Juliet Hahn  01:01:19 

That's amazing.


Cynthia Zordich  01:01:20 

so for good two years, he wrote


Juliet Hahn  01:01:26 



Cynthia Zordich  01:01:23 

or the phone inquire has a entire experience.

And for so many families, you know, if anybody would Google that, you know,

Bill Lion battle with Alzheimer's and

he caught it out, and it would be in the inquire archives.

I'm sure it would be helpful a family.

because he was taught he sure when he was going for


Juliet Hahn  01:01:43 

is going through.



Cynthia Zordich  01:01:43 

require old thing. I know. I know.

he did write one last chapter

we revisited one of Copper Bell and

he wrote one much chapter on our friend Kevin Turner,

called first man in


Juliet Hahn  01:01:59 



Cynthia Zordich  01:01:58 

So... And that was in thousand thirteen, and it was so most

not because it was bill writing

knowing you might not be able to some point K

doing the interviewing and knowing he might not be able to speak



Juliet Hahn  01:02:12 

Right. Oh, my gosh said us so emotional.


Cynthia Zordich  01:02:13 

Oh my god. And it's a beautiful

beautiful chapter. That's on Women talk not that page people can meet it.



Juliet Hahn  01:02:20 

Amazing. And then where where can they also find

you know? So if I know they go to Nfl thread, but where also they can all you said,

people can get it audible.

or no.


Cynthia Zordich  01:02:25 

I, always raised there all


Juliet Hahn  01:02:31 



Cynthia Zordich  01:02:29 

right there yet. Right there on my page. Yes as much as I put on the page.

share all the quotes on there. Story, the the book is on there.

But it's, you know, and I I know that it's

it's available in the free

tin. So


Juliet Hahn  01:02:44 

Oh, that's amazing. Freaking him but Right. Well, I love that. And I can't wait to dive into this and do just


Cynthia Zordich  01:02:49 



Juliet Hahn  01:02:49 

yet again, more stuff with you. So


Cynthia Zordich  01:02:51 

news story. Yeah.

love it.


Juliet Hahn  01:02:53 

Yes. New stories. Well, guys, everyone. Thank you so much for joining why

live with Nfl thread pivot are new

series. This is our debut. Don't forget to join us on Friday at twelve noon, and also,

share this. Share this with as many people as that you guys know because there's gonna be... This is a fascinating

really fascinating again, as we said, we're gonna be bringing you into the lives

people that you haven't heard gonna be the real true stories of people pivoting out of lead

transitioning out of the lead. And so and it's gonna be coming from players and wives

it could be... You know, as we're doing Friday, it's gonna be both

just really exciting Joe's Wife is gonna be joining him. And it's I'm just


Cynthia Zordich  01:03:30 



Juliet Hahn  01:03:32 

excited for all of this. And Jane, my dogs are excited for it to us. I see yeah.


Cynthia Zordich  01:03:33 

I let know with my dogs.


Yeah. And


Juliet Hahn  01:03:40 

Oh, they're so hot today. And spring is in the air.

as be.


Cynthia Zordich  01:03:43 

You follow well... I'm excited Julia things. This is so cool.

really for to Friday.


Juliet Hahn  01:03:50 

me too. Let me tell what everyone. Thank you so much for joining

we will see you guys on Friday. Don't forget twelve noon, put it in your box.

and send it to as many people because, again, these are gonna be some fast

stories. You guys don't wanna miss it, and we will see you Friday.


Have a great week.

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